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Apr 21, 2016 22:46:35 GMT
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Second issue is they they are refusing to register rebodied Historic cars that my have even been on the road in that form already. This is because they have been off the road leaving them in either ' Not Licensed' or 'PLG' taxation classes DVLA will not currently allow a chassis with no body to be registered ( into Historic for the first time )and will not accept replica bodies. Currently you can still modify within 8 points system but how that sits with teh new MOT rules is anyones guess. So how does that work with restoring most pre-war cars? Is this actual law, or the DVLA just being awkward?
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Apr 22, 2016 20:47:30 GMT
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It depends if it is already registered in Historic or not as to how it is treated. DVLA are confusing the terms body and bodyshell and won't listen when told the difference.
Most of what DVLA do ISN'T law ( ie in Statute) but their rules for whcih they appear to be answerable to no one.
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faker
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novanut
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Apr 22, 2016 21:25:26 GMT
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Rebodied vehicles in the context here refer to the likes of a brand new beetle based beach buggy on an original floorpan, and the likes of a brand new ZZ-Top style fibreglass body on a scimmitar chassis. The base or chassis may be historic, but the body isn't. Iva or biva is required, and the vehicle will not officially be recognised as a classic or historic vehicle. Same would and could be said for a proper historic all steel Model A Ford hot rod or rat rod, if its been heavily modified, such as roof chopped and channelled with a small block. It would cease to be an officially recognised historic vehicle due to being significantly modified from original spec.
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Apr 23, 2016 17:12:34 GMT
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Rebodied vehicles in the context here refer to the likes of a brand new beetle based beach buggy on an original floorpan, and the likes of a brand new ZZ-Top style fibreglass body on a scimmitar chassis. The base or chassis may be historic, but the body isn't. Iva or biva is required, and the vehicle will not officially be recognised as a classic or historic vehicle. Same would and could be said for a proper historic all steel Model A Ford hot rod or rat rod, if its been heavily modified, such as roof chopped and channelled with a small block. It would cease to be an officially recognised historic vehicle due to being significantly modified from original spec. not in uk.
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faker
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novanut
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Apr 23, 2016 22:03:28 GMT
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not in uk. [/quote] Surely that's what the entire article is about? This is the proposed changes that may be actually coming in to effect? Significant modifications would result in a vehicle not being recognised as an historic vehicle.
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Apr 23, 2016 23:55:08 GMT
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Other than, "because I don't like paying tax," does anyone have a good reason why old modified cars should be tax exempt?
As long as you can still tax it and drive it, you can still enjoy your car.
If anything, perhaps you should argue for a mileage based system, or just get rid of car tax altogether and pay for it through fuel excise. That way it's fair, user pays.
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As long as you can still tax it and drive it, you can still enjoy your car. This is what i'm most worried about though - that anything that is currently classed as 'Historic' will all get lumped in together if there are changes brought in regarding how much you are allowed to use them. My car is miles away from a 1920s Bentley or something that most people - or more importantly the people who make the rules - will think of when applying the term 'historic vehicle'. I have no issue with my car being reclassified and having to pay tax. It's a pretty small amount in relation to what i spend on my car(s) annually. But i've not heard or read anything about a 'non-historic old car class' for cars like mine. Would there be a system put in place to have you car reclissified?
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oooooh I'm so badass.... I've got a z in my name
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Apr 24, 2016 14:29:52 GMT
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Well, as I described, the Australian system in most states is that all cars are treated the same. We don't have age-related or emissions-related tax rates, so everyone just pays the same. If you own an historic car that qualifies for conditional registration and you don't use it every day, then you may apply for historic registration, if you want to. Otherwise, carry on paying normal registration.
Based on what I understand about UK road tax from this forum, couldn't you just pay the "pre-modern emissions" rate? Google tells me that this date is the 1st of March 2001, so almost all cars on this forum should fall in that group.
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Apr 24, 2016 18:30:16 GMT
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It's the MOT exemption of highly modified Historic vehicles that worries me. Somebody MIGHT build a total heap that no way would pass an MOT, call it a rat rod to get around their poor workmanship and then simply have to insure to be legal (accepted they might still be prosecuted by Police for C&U offences is stopped). This is where the problem lies. Somebody might fit period upgrades, Kent to replace a sidevalve, convert cable brakes to hydraulic, fit 5 speed gearbox, make a realistic Cooper, Mexico and such replica but at present the Rover V8 in an otherwise standard car with pigeon poop dodges to fit is treated the same as the show standard vehicles.
I have no answer !
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