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Well done getting that splutter out of it! The fuel tank will have a couple of lines coming off it - the main one that you fill the car up with, but it also will probably have a breather line somewhere, that deals with the expansion of the liquid and also where the air comes out when you fill the tank with fuel instead! It'll also have a level sensor too that is plugged in somewhere, plus the fuel lines to the front of the car. Otherwise it'll just be brackets.
As has been mentioned, any fuel or vacuum pipes are worth replacing. If you can borrow one off a mate, i'd recommend getting hold of an air compressor too - allowing you to blast air through pipes to de-curse word them is quite useful.
It might just be worth getting a new Weber carb over coaxing the old one into life. It won't be too expensive, and it'll be more reliable and easier to maintain once it's up and running again.
Keep going mate!
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Cheers guys! I'm gonna have another bash at tank removal on Sunday (maybe earlier if weather permits). I know it's full of curse word and I really don't want that washing around the engine! I'm replacing all the fuel lines anyway; got them roughly mapped out and they don't look to be too much of an issue to switch out. I also tried to remove the sender unit (which also has the fuel and return lines on) but the sucker just won't unscrew. Any suggestions? I doubt it's ever been taken off before.
mikkey - good suggestions thanks. I'd not thought of this before, although I will need to re-do all the lines between the pump and block etc as I can visibly see they're buggered! Also cheers! (Although I don't know what a wax thermostat is!)
taurus - cracking, thanks for the offer! Where abouts are you based? I'm over in Great Boughton near the large Sainsbury's/Halfrauds etc. If ever you did come over there'd be plenty of tea/coffee and food for you!
Andy - sup! I've literally no idea which Weber I'd need or if there are 'universal' models. I hardly even know how a carb works yet :s
Also, obligatory video of engine sounds - not very long as I didn't want more flames out the front. This is with me giving it a bit of gas; and it pretty much sounded as bassy as it does on the vid!
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For things that won't unscrew I usually find that Plusgas works most of the time. The odd time it doesn't I give it a second dose of Plusgas then a squirt of WD40 (or just cheap Wilkos equivalent) - the WD40 is a dispersive so it drives the Plusgas into whatever joint you've applied it to. The sender probably may have a seal which will have gone hard with age - but giving it a good soak with releasing agent usually helps. Just remember not to make any sparks when working near fuel tanks - if you need to use a hammer for example use a copper or plastic one to tap the sender round.
I'm in the Handbridge area - but Sunday alas I am working all day.
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Agreed with taurus, Plusgas is a life save with any automotive work! In some situations where I couldn't apply heat, Plusgas was the factor between getting a bolt out or snapping the head clean off it!
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Ok, I quickly made this in paint to show where the fuel lines run on the Golf, obviously your engine is mounted differently in the Passat but it should give you an idea as to what to look for!
Not 100% certain how the fuel system works on the Passat, but as you can see its relatively simple on the Golf which is hopefully similar. Fuel feed and return lines come from the tank to the left hand side at the bulkhead. From there the feed line runs to the fuel pump (mounted low down on the block) and the return goes to the pressure regulator. From the regulator the fuel feed runs to the carb and that's about it!
Note that the golf doesn't have a pump in the tank, I discovered this yesterday when my car ran out of fuel and was a real pig to bleed the fuel lines through to the pump! Also note that in this picture I believe the fuel filter is mounted incorrectly, as far as I am aware the filter should ideally be after the pump rather than before it (as it is easier to push fuel through a filter compared to drawing fuel through the filter to the pump!)
I hope this is of some use to you, but like I say I am not 100% certain on how the fuel system is set up on the Passat!
Mike.
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Take a look on the underside of the bonnet - older VWs (my Caddy for example) carry a sticker how to route the vacuum hoses.
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Mar 13, 2016 18:56:15 GMT
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Cheers for the above guys! Mikkey, my layout is slightly different but I figured out my setup now Also thanks outrage, but as far as I can see there's no stickers or anything, not that it matters too much now Fairly busy day for me! Weather was great so got in a full wash and wax so at least the bodywork has some protection. Found a few small rust spots on the paintwork, but really nothing to worry about. Maybe a few hours work in total to get them sorted. Totally flushed out the coolant system today as It was empty and has clearly leaked previously - loads of build up for blue crystals around the pipework. Filled with warm water now and gonna check levels/leaks tomorrow, then flush again and replace with coolant. Does anybody know which sort I need? There's loads on the market! Also managed to run a gravity feed to the fuel pump instead of the carb - all seems to working great, managed to get her idling quite happily and she sounded excellent and bassy while revving. Oil pressure seems solid too. Didn't want to run the engine too long as the coolant system hadn't been sorted at this point. I did forget that I'd disconnected the fuel return at the tank, so ended up with a nice puddle of petrol in the boot. Live and learn! Should have all the measurements to buy all new fuel lines now so they will go on order tonight. Once these are fitted and coolant added, in theory there's no reason she won't move under her own steam (breaks, exhaust and gears dependant!) Also, does anyone know what this is (torn silver pipework) and where I can get a new one? It runs from the engine block to the air filter area, so not sure of what it does! Also another obligatory video of engine running.
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2016 18:56:54 GMT by arsonist
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Mar 13, 2016 19:08:54 GMT
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warm air feed from exhaust area to air filter, you can get it from GSF, ebay, everywhere really, you can get away without with the weather being a bit warmer now
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Mar 13, 2016 19:12:54 GMT
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Reeeeesult! Well done for sticking with it, and for learning as you go. Weird how everything was out of synch in the first place though, considering it was theoretically running when it was taken off the road? Keep up the great work!
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Mar 13, 2016 19:15:40 GMT
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Thats a hot air duct, there should be a flap in the air cleaner which is thermostatocallly controlled (or some have a manual lever for winter /summer) the warm air stops the water in the air forming ice in the carb as the pressure drops passing through the venturi.
Not something you need to panic about, most cars are probably missing them anyway.
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taurus - cracking, thanks for the offer! Where abouts are you based? I'm over in Great Boughton near the large Sainsbury's/Halfrauds etc. If ever you did come over there'd be plenty of tea/coffee and food for you! Just read this through from the beginning, nice car, I like early Passats! Likewise with taurus, if you need a hand with something i'd be happy to come over. I'm even nearer than he is though, as I too live in Great Boughton, we must be pretty damn close to each other!
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You want the standard blue antifreeze coolant for that. Try CES on Bumpers Lane, that's where I get 90% of my stuff from. It needs replacing every 2 years but it's safe to use in older engines and from the crystals you describe it is what was originally fitted.
Your local Halfords near Sainsburys also sell the blue antifreze if you don't want to travel across town.
Keep up the good work!
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Mar 14, 2016 11:16:29 GMT
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Thanks Georgesx, I might have to take you up on that when it comes to tuning as I've no idea at all!
Gonna check out ces tonight, been in need of a decent auto factor as been relying on imports from Germany so far! Wonder if they sell fuel lines? Wouldn't mind getting them fitted this week!
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Mar 14, 2016 11:45:39 GMT
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This is great news! Glad hooking the fuel line up to the pump got it going for you! As Andrewbaran has posted above, I tend to go to Eurocarparts for my general stuff (Servicing parts, brake pads etc) and VW Heritage is brilliant for some of the more specific parts (Headlights and a throttle pedal to gearbox cable in my case!)
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Mar 14, 2016 13:37:56 GMT
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Cheers Andy! And cheers guys. Euro car parts is local but don't list the mk1 passat in a 1.6 petrol, only diesel. Can I just use the audi 80 1.6 petrol search forms? As far as I'm aware the cars are the same just different badges. Nearly all the original parts in my passat show both audi and vw badges! Hoping to buy warm air intake, fuel lines and clips, coolant and thermostat tonight. Still had no luck with getting the petrol tank or sender unit off - might just leave them and expect the car to run a bit funky for a while until the tank flushes out. I'm sure an additive will help, and I've no reason to believe the sender doesn't work. Thanks guys!
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Last Edit: Mar 14, 2016 13:38:12 GMT by arsonist
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Just check the provenance of any parts from ECP - some of the old trusted brands were bought up and their names used to box cheap foreign made components. I had to source some wheel bearings a while back in a hurry and CES only had one in stock. I was forced to get the other one from ECP. The CES one lasted - well it's still going strong. The ECP one failed within a fortnight.
Unless you really need to remove the tank I'd leave it. I've seen tanks laid up for years and whilst the fuel in them is rank there's often no debris in them providing they've not had water in them. It's worth fitting an inline filter in case there is any curse word coming out - easier to spot and replace a clogged inline filter than let it get into your pump. If there is old fuel in there just drain it out and use it in a lawn mower or something.
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How long has the car been sat? I managed to get my golf going on the fuel in the tank after being sat for 12 years! (it didn't run amazingly and smelt funny but it ran.) So I added some fresh fuel on top and just kept running it until nothing but fresh fuel was in the system, although I have changed my fuel filter twice in the space of 100 miles for safety, seems to be nice and clean now. (Also I accidentally let it run out of fuel completely, put some fresh in and it eventually fired up and ran fine, didn't even drag any crud from the tank! Old petrol was better than the stuff you get these days, that goes off considerably quickly!
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Ok I'm going slightly insane. Where the HELL do I buy fuel lines from? Everywhere online is being utterly useless and no stores sell what I need!
I specifically need 1/4" total diameter tubing ideally clear or yellow (tygon etc). This is what's currently on the car and it would be a bonus to be able to check the pump is still drawing fuel in months/years time just by looking under the car.
Any suggestions?
Ta!
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Fuel line tends to be sold by internal diameter - not entirely sure what you mean by 'total diameter' but if that's the exterior size you may need to work with what is available. Might be worth a trip down to Demon Tweeks near Wrexham, not my usual source of parts but when I've struggled with fuel lines in the past they've usually had something I can adapt.
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