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I've mentioned this car in my other thread but I think it's interesting enough that I'd start a new thread to chronicle the project. It's a 1989 944 Turbo with all of the S options. M030 Club Sport package with the adjustable Koni suspension, big sway bars, Brembos, and limited slip transaxle. Pretty cool stuff. To recap, about a year ago this car suffered a timing belt failure. I bought it immediately upon hearing that the owner had finally given up on the idea of fixing it. It started innocently enough. At first I thought I'd just replace some valves, put the head back on and be on my way, but we all know how that goes. A few days later the engine was out on the garage floor. A few thousand dollars later and I've almost got all of the parts I need to put the engine back together "the right way"... Parts for this thing make BMW parts look cheap. The block was stripped bare so that it could be thoroughly cleaned. Fortunately the bores are in good shape despite having nearly 200,000 miles. The stamping shows that this is the correct M44/52 Turbo "S" block, originally equipped with all forged internals. Unfortunately the pistons have some pretty deep gouges in them from hitting the valves so hard, so a new forged set is on order. Stock bore and compression ratio with low friction coating on the skirts. Since the valves cost so much to replace I ended up buying a spare head to rebuild. The head cost just a few dollars more than a single replacement exhaust valve! These heads were cast around ceramic liners in the exhaust ports and they use sodium filled exhaust valves. I was surprised to find out that the exhaust headers, crossover pipe, and apparently the downpipe are made from inconel rather than standard stainless steel. This really was a no expense spared car. My crossover pipe shows signs of a fairly substantial leak so it will have to be repaired or replaced. The bearings looked decent for the mileage but will obviously be replaced. These crankshafts are forged and induction hardened so it shouldn't need more than a polish. Once the flywheel is resurfaced and the new clutch cover and disc arrive, the entire rotating assembly will be balanced since the new pistons are roughly 100g lighter than original. I went with a stock clutch cover and a Turbo Cup disc since the combination should be able to handle 400lb/ft. Turbo "S" models used the #8 hot side K26. Mine had a little bit of shaft play so it's being rebuilt and modified to use the larger K27 compressor wheel and housing. This should provide response similar to the smaller K26 with improved efficiency and power potential. The specialist who is doing the modification tells me this combination should be able to make 320-340whp with appropriate supporting modifications to the fuel system. Eventually I will switch over to Megasquirt so that I can play with different blends of ethanol and eliminate the restrictive AFM. That's all for now. Parts are inbound and the machine shop is booked for a couple of weeks, but I hope to have some big updates soon.
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Last Edit: Mar 7, 2019 22:11:39 GMT by euroshark
'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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stevietuck
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Nice car bud, i love 944's wanted one for years. Have you seen sumpcracker 's 944 build?
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Thanks, same here. Since I started driving actually.
sumpcracker's car is excellent! I've read through his thread a few times, lots of great info. I'm not going quite as wild but I do have a K27 / K26 hybrid turbo and standalone engine management in the works. Shooting for a bit over 300whp with a big strong mid-range.
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Last Edit: Apr 7, 2015 18:50:21 GMT by euroshark
'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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These are seriously cool and underrated cars in my opinion and that colour is perfect.
James
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Always thought they were super cool. Can't wait to drive it. The pistons arrived today and everything measures up nicely. Forged 8:1 compression, stock 100mm bore. The skirts have an alusil compatible low friction coating. Just waiting on a few more parts before the spinning parts go off for balancing.
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Last Edit: Apr 10, 2015 4:01:17 GMT by euroshark
'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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I got the block pretty clean this afternoon. Tons of aircraft grade Simple Green and scrubbing finally got 99% of the grime to let go. The Alusil blocks have a neat shine to them compared to the regular cast brackets and whatnot. The clutch parts have arrived. New Sachs pressure plate, throw out bearing and Turbo Cup disc. The experts assure me this combination should hold 400lb/ft or better. This is good news considering that the new turbo (here next week maybe) and Megasquirt should be capable of just that. That's the idea anyway.
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Last Edit: Apr 11, 2015 14:07:36 GMT by euroshark
'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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944 TurboChasR
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I see you are throwing some time and cash at this! What sort of power figures are you hoping for? There are a couple of UK cars running over 400BHP reliably for now but of course little of the stock management remains as well as other things! The Turbo S models certainly seem to be getting more praise these days as the ultimate 951 now it seems. I shall be seeing what happens with this . I certainly had a few ideas of what to do my 951 during my ownership .
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This project has sort of spiraled a bit but I'm excited to see it come together. I will be shooting for 300whp once the engine is broken in. Seems that this goal is well within reach using the K27/6 hybrid and a decent set of chips. With Megasquirt it should be a breeze. I was just reviewing some dyno charts this morning and came across a couple of cars running this same turbo and the numbers were impressive. One car made 293hp and 369ft/lbs at the wheels and another made a bit over 300hp and around 375ft/lbs at the wheels. If I'm close to that I'll be thrilled! Megasquirt should be an excellent addition above and beyond the standard chip tuning, especially with its ability to work with an ethanol sensor. The plan is to use one plumbed into the return fuel line so that MS can compensate by running more aggressive timing and controlling an electronic boost controller. Seems that 750-800cc injectors should be adequate for 400hp on E85. Running sequential injection should allow a decent idle and low speed drivability despite their size. I think a single Bosch 044 should flow enough to keep up. Any pictures of your 951? Still have it?
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'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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Apr 18, 2015 17:28:31 GMT
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That is a nice car, and an impressive engine build. Bookmarked. I love the way that the 944s (and 924s) are finally getting some love (beyond the old bargain performance tag). Cheers Duncan
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Jun 24, 2015 18:18:43 GMT
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Thanks Duncan, it's got potential anyway. The work you've done to your 924 is fantastic! Hopefully this one will turn out as nice one day. I have not even driven this one yet but I am hoping it'll be good. The closest thing I've driven was an '88 924S but I loved the way it felt. Not a very exciting update but things are progressing. Five weeks after the machine shop told me they would be done they finally had my parts ready to pick up. The crank was alright with just a polish so it'll get standard bearings. I didn't know if they were going to cut it or not so I had to wait to order the bearings. In an effort to provide an extra layer of protection against the 944s tendency to kill the number 2 rod bearing, I'm having the bearings WPC treated and I'm adding a baffle to the oil pan to help keep the oil pump pickup immersed. The machine shop did a nice job with the balancing of the crank and rods. I'm hoping that the result is a smooth runner. More updates soon.
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'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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Jun 24, 2015 22:10:04 GMT
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I'm having the bearings WPC treated What is WPC? In England it is a female police officer.
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I'm having the bearings WPC treated What is WPC? In England it is a female police officer. Reminds me of the quote from Hot Fuzz :- Danny Butterman: [about PC Doris Thatcher] She's our only policewoman. Nicholas Angel: She's not a policewoman. Danny Butterman: [whispers] Yes, she is, I've seen her bra. Joff
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Jun 25, 2015 16:37:30 GMT
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Perfect! I loved Hot Fuzz. WPC is a surface treatment that helps with oil retention, hardens the surface and reduces friction. Pretty neat stuff and very reasonably priced at $4 per bearing shell. www.wpctreatment.com/about.htm
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'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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The bearings are back from WPC treatment. I don't have a before photo but they come back with a dark matte grey finish. I had the mains, rods and all of the balance shaft bearings done. I got the cylinder head back too. Only took about six weeks longer than originally quoted. Oddly, when the timing belt broke it bent the exhaust valves. This has me scratching my head since they are considerably smaller than the intake valves. It ended up getting new guides and exhaust valves... now it looks like you could eat off of it. The block required lots of cleaning on the gasket surfaces. I'm still not done but it's nearly there. After much reading I decided to deglaze the bores. Seems like it's about 50/50 between people who put new rings in original bores and those who resurface the bores first. I opted for a very light scuff and hone using the approved honing compound and felt pads. Hopefully this will allow the rings to seat quickly. I'm nervous about bolting the main bearing girdle to the block since getting it wrong means the oil pump won't be able to pull oil from the sump. Read and re-read the manual and then proceed with caution... All of the engine hardware and heat shields were looking their age so I found a propeller shop at the local airport that does cad plating for a reasonable price. Here are a few pieces from the first batch. Some DINAN parts for an adjustable E24 / E28 rear subframe. Hoping to get some pieces bolted together this weekend!
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'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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Great project, lovely car. Nice work.
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Thanks! Got the crank in today. It spins beautifully thanks to the treated bearings. Before the crank went in I prepped the cylinders with the AN-30 honing paste. As others have discovered this stuff is thick. Thick enough that a drill will struggle to spin the hone unless some oil is added to thin the paste out a bit. My girlfriend thought I was crazy when I dug out the hot glue, needle and thread last night to attach strips of felt to my spring loaded hone, but it ended up working out perfectly. The bores were left with a dull chalk board finish and I guess that's ideal. Hopefully the rings seat in quickly. On the subject of rings, Porsche's factory spec is wildly different than the aftermarket piston manufacturers recommendation. Porsche says the top and middle ring gaps should fall between 0.005" and 0.0115" where my pistons say 0.006" per inch of bore. Other sources show 0.0065 to 0.0075 per inch of bore for the top ring and then 4-6 thousandths larger for the middle ring. I decided to use the 0.006" per inch of bore spec and then added 4 thousands for the middle ring. The block wash degreased and pressure washed one last time before the crank went in. The honing paste is nasty stuff that would probably destroy the bearings in short order if any of it was left behind. Sealing the girdle to the block seems to be a procedure that causes people lots of trouble. It's got to be glued together with Loctite 574 and everything has to be perfectly clean and flat otherwise you'll find your engine without the ability to suck oil from the sump. Additionally, if the girdle and block don't line up on the face of the engine like they originally did, the oil pump won't seal on that surface. Maybe I got lucky... mine went together with no drama. Everything came clean and lined up great. The girdle is torqued down and the crank spins with less effort than any other engine I've built. I'll join the pistons and rods tomorrow and drop them in. Then it's easy stuff really. The plater still has most of the hardware for the rest of the engine and I'm waiting on a water pump, but it'll be back together soon enough.
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'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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Jul 26, 2015 10:27:14 GMT
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Those are some quality photos of the engine build! Looking forward to seeing further progress
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Jul 26, 2015 10:35:31 GMT
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i think its safe to say most of us wouldve reused the old pistons (with requisite little end and rod check over) ive never seen an engine where the girdle itself forms the main caps this build is amazing
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2015 10:38:04 GMT by darrenh
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Last Edit: Jul 27, 2015 5:17:16 GMT by euroshark
'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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Jul 26, 2015 23:24:41 GMT
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Lovely, nice to see an engine being build properly with thought..
keep the updates coming!
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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