Zagato
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Hi Goldn, The wheels work so well because they have the fussiness of period campagnolos or cromodoras. Those arches just don't do it for me, the car is proudly Italian why dilute that with JDM tuning practices? If you want arches go for the ones on the blue one. Tried and tested is good sometimes. Can you imaging what a rolling road session with multiple jet changes with an Italian car specialist would cost? It takes a lot longer by trial and error at home, ordering and waiting for jets to arrive but very rewarding. Keep up the great work. Nick
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2014 8:01:21 GMT by Zagato
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goldnrust
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Jan 18, 2014 10:42:33 GMT
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I know what you mean about the wheel Nick, and I think painting the centres all one colour will only emphasise this. And I'm well aware what a rolling road session costs, and that I can't afford one So I'm quite happy doing it myself and enjoying the challenge. Rereading my previous post I'm not sure it comes across as I meant it to. I meant more along the lines of I'd been blindly looking only at the group 3 and group 4 Fulvia specific arches, but as I'm not sold on the look of those, then I'm toying with the idea of other arch extensions I could use. I still think theres potential there, but having slept on it I'd say it suffered the same issues that the group 3 and group 4 arches do; that the rest of the car needs to conform to the look in order for it all to hang together. There's a fine line I'm trying to ride with this car. On one hand I enjoy modifying cars, and want it to be faster & more aggressive, but on the other hand it's tasteful classic charm is what attracted me to the car in the first place. In a perfect world I'd keep this fairly standard and would have another car to feed the other side of my driving desires, probably an Integrale. Probably once a week I have an evening of questioning whether I should get the Fulvia nicely painted then sell it and try and raise funds for an Integrale, then after a nights sleep and looking out at the Fulvia on the drive when I get up thinking it's just got too much charm to be without. I guess it's part of the love/hate relationship I have with the Fulvia I had the same love/hate thing with both my Alfas, must be an Italian thing haha.
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goldnrust
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Jan 18, 2014 20:07:00 GMT
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Kinda frustrating day today. I spent most of the day in the garage/working on the car and that photo is all I've really got to show for it! What it does show is that I sorted the other indicator, so they both sit much more flush with the body work and generally look much better. i also experimented with removing the baffle inside the air box to see if it improved the air flow, the car did run a little leaner with it removed but I didn't notice it feel any faster. If anything all I did notice was more obvious air fuel ratio fluctuations. So I put it back to standard. While I had the baffle out I tried the new air correction jets I bought, to see if I could richen the mix back up. I have to say they really don't seem to have had any effect. Maybe the change from 180 to 170 isn't enough to see much. The works car when jetted for running with open trumpets ran a 145 air corrector. I've got a slightly irritating interior squeak that seems to have got a bit more obvious recently. So I spent most of the afternoon removing various trim sections then going for test drives to try and pin point whats squeaking, but I've not got to the bottom of it yet! I spent most of the day feeling a bit down about the car really, following on from this mornings post, it didn't help to have one of those days where nothing seems to want to be fixed! It redeemed it slightly out on some of the test drives by being enjoyable and I feel happier working it hard now it's running better, which leads me towards thinking it just need to go faster but still don't wanna feel like i'm trying to make the car into something it isn't, rather than just going out and buying a car thats got the sort of power I'm missing as standard.
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Zagato
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Jan 18, 2014 20:18:30 GMT
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I think with cars of this era it's nice if you feel if you are going fast even if by modern standards you are not 'really' fast at all. The classic Mini is an example of this. You feel like you are tearing around and it is lots of fun/ smiles but not that fast tbh. Don't worry about getting the very last bhp out of it, but try and make the transitions smooth so you have fun driving. It will never be a 0-60 monster, so what. Smiles per mile is the gauge to keep an eye on in my opinion. There are good days and not so good days doing this stuff, chin up the next one will be better. Neat idea btw with the indicators, wouldn't have thought of doing that. I would be looking on eBay for some other ones. Nick
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2014 20:23:01 GMT by Zagato
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I too, would be looking at this car as an enjoyable ride more than a fast one. The car is beautiful and deserves to be appreciated while zipping around b roads and the like, not hammering it around, in my eyes. Keep up the good work! The love (hate?) you put in to this car is great!
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goldnrust
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Jan 19, 2014 18:20:08 GMT
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Had a nice drive in the car today in the sun (which always helps!) and I feel a bit more cheerful about it again. I was looking through photos last night, and it helped me come to a few conclusions. Whilst I like the ratty race car look, and many of my Fulvia inspiration pictures are of cars well used, I miss my car looking shiny like when I first bought it! I'm looking forward to it being thats lovely tasteful shade of dark blue, glinting in the spring/summer light. Equally I was looking at pictures of when I'd finished tidying up the interior and how pleased I was with it, the wood and chrome against the black vinyl. It evokes a rose tinted view of glory days of motoring gone by, and in a way is the whole reason I wanted a classic Italian coupe, and what I hoped to gain when I sold my 80s sports car… so I need to get on and make it shiny again! I think that also leads me away from overarches. Scanning through pages and pages of pictures of Fulvias, I find myself gravitating towards those with standard arches/light flared arches and away from wide arches. On top of this with the ride height I'm running and wheel width, over arches would definitely mean cutting the standard arches off, which means no going back and I can't quite settle that with my conscience for now. So thats off the list. Before I make any progress towards paint I really need to finalise my wheels plan. No point spending hours prepping arches for paint then finding I need to flare them some more… I've fired a few emails out to companies who seem to specialise in wheel modifications about having those Rays wheels plugged and re-drilled. I'll see what responses I get. If that doesn't look like it's gonna be possible (or if it ends up being prohibitively expensive) then at least I know I explored that avenue properly and can just sell on the Rays wheels and stick with the wheels I've got. I did find this picture of a dark blue Fulvia with slightly wider arches which still works. I'd probably need to pull the stock arches out his far to clear the Rays even with no spacers. But then referencing the point made at the start of this post…. … Lancia blue + shiny chrome + cream steels = jaw on the floor. So maybe that's another option? Tonight that last picture has got me dreaming of cream steels and Lancia blue looking totally classic style from the outside, but then go back to thoughts of supercharger/turbo hiding under the bonnet , sleeper style I'll have changed my mind by the morning probably, haha.
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Last Edit: Jan 19, 2014 18:35:14 GMT by goldnrust
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Clement
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Jan 19, 2014 18:38:08 GMT
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I'm not really clued up on this kind of issues, but I doubt you could feed much power through these skinny front wheels It's sweet to see that you've rekindled with the Fulvia a little, I miss the Giulia quite terribly so it makes me feel better somehow!
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goldnrust
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Jan 19, 2014 18:49:38 GMT
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Technicalities…. It would be exciting You need to get the Giulia back on the road and back out enjoying it It'll have to be ready for the gathering at least! I think we need a classic Italian cars stand this year
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Last Edit: Jan 19, 2014 18:49:51 GMT by goldnrust
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eurogranada
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I went back and forth on my colour scheme for the Granada at least a million and one times before finally settling on what it now will be. Am I sure, no, it'll be a bit off a wait and see thing still.
I think you're onto a winner if you go for the blue, widened but original arches (no over arches) and either those lovely new wheels in silver or even cream steelies... I think you need to do what I was told as well: make up your mind and stick to it/follow it through (and in my case also shut up about it haha). I have to say, it gave me a sort of peace and direction to the project.
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crahel
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Jan 20, 2014 10:47:47 GMT
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The cream steelies look good with the crome hub caps, you can also have them widened to have a wider tyre fitted. I have a set of widened s2 steel rims which worked perfectly in the standard wheel arches. They are 5.5j wide same as the cromodora's on the flavia. Its a lot easy er to widen the steel rims than alloy.
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crahel
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Jan 20, 2014 10:54:32 GMT
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sleeper car ,yes!!! always liked the idea. If you want something different, I've measured up a Audi A4 B5 motor and gearbox and it looks like it could fit in the engine bay, 1.8t with 110kw to 147kw. Would have to remove the transverce spring and change some how to coilovers.
This would really pee off the purists though and ruin the fulvia feel and charm, that's why I'm going the supercharger root.
Just a thought.
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adam73bgt
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Jan 20, 2014 11:23:15 GMT
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I get your dilemma with plans and wheels, I've only just recently got new wheels on my car and I'm already thinking about something different.. then theres sebring wide arch kit ideas and do I tune my engine or swap it for something else? Then its what engine do I swap for? Constantly changing plans # I think in the case of the Fulvia, whichever combo of wheels and arches you go for, its gonna come out looking good
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goldnrust
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Jan 20, 2014 14:26:17 GMT
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Cheers for the input guys it's really appreciated. I know what you mean about decisions Alex, as a bit of a life ethic I try to make a decision and feel comforted that without hindsight, given the same set of circumstances I'd make the same choice again, so make a decision and stick to it and don't regret it even if it goes poorly! Wide cream steels would be intense Crahel. Engine wise, I like the little v4 lots so if things did get extreme on the hunt for power then force induction of some sort would be my first port of call. After than for me there's only one engine that could end up in this engine bay. A rotary. I've still got the bug! It would fit where the stock engine fits, also being a short and wide shape and offer plenty of power! I think a 200hp bridge ported 13b would be pretty wild in the front of the Fulvia That said I can't see me doing an engine swap. I was happy to engine swap my mx5 as the engine isn't a defining design feature, in fact it's one of the weaknesses really. But it's very different in a car like the Fulvia where that narrow v4 is part of what defines the car.
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luckyseven
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Jan 20, 2014 14:31:35 GMT
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hmmmmm….. up to this point I've only really been thinking of Fulvia group 4/ group 3 arches (as pictured on various cars in this thread). But Japanese wheels, so why not Japanese inspired arches? Albeit a rough photoshop, I feel this looks better than the Fulvia specific arches against my car, with my level of mods. still unsure how it'll look in real life though. I'm leaning towards PCD adapters and arches tonight, mostly because it doesn't tie me down to one specific set of wheels. ^^^ yep, do that . Immediately
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2014 14:32:53 GMT by luckyseven: weirdness
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Jan 20, 2014 18:51:20 GMT
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I do like the ideas being banded about.
Personally, I think the best bet would be go for the blue, flared stock arches, flat black bonnet and the rays wheels in gold (a throwback to the old lancia rally spec colours) and then itb the standard engine, cams and headwork, a nice fast road spec. Would be my idea of car heaven, if ever I could fit in a fulvia!
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Jan 20, 2014 19:06:32 GMT
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^ ^ 2nd what he said, flair the stock arches, like the blue, keep the wheels period rally style [but a running ratty classic is better than one stuck in the garage being resprayed?] keep up the good work!
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goldnrust
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Jan 23, 2014 21:11:31 GMT
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Since a fortnight before christmas my work has just gone mental. I've been working on a really big job and doing lots of long days and high stress. So as the project came to an end on Tuesday, I decided I was due a few days off to recuperate in the garage! With bodywork on pause for a little while while I come to conclusions about the direction of this project, there were various other small niggley tasks to be getting on with. The main one was to try and get to the bottom of the squeak I get from the rear of the car over small bumps. It doesn't seem so noticeable on big bumps, and bouncing the cars suspension in the garage, jumping up and down in the seat, poking things I cat get ti to squeak. It's a metal on metal, dry sounding squeak. First step, all the rear trim came out, seats, rear side panels, parcel shelf, etc. It made no difference to the squeak, but I did spot this small bit of rust under the rear seat where it meats the inner arch, that I'd missed during the weldathon. That was quickly dealt with (missed a spot I noticed after taking the photo and fixed it!) Clean the welds up, quick splash on paint, job done. Total time about an hour. Seems so insignificant after the huge welding jobs on this car, haha. anyway the hunt went on. I took the boot hinged to bits, cleaned and greased them, nope. greased the boot catch arrangement as there was a little evidence of rubbing, nope. Though the fuel filler neck might be catching on edge of the hole in the boot floor it goes through, nope. Found a squeak in the drivers door, where the door strap was catching the cosmetic plate the covers the hinges. Bit of work with a file some opened that up and the door no longer squeaks… …no change to the main squeak. Id written off the chance of the squeak coming from the suspension because it didn't seem worse over big bumps and it wouldn't make it while I bounced the suspension in the garage. But with nowhere else to look I jacked the back of the car up this evening and set about inspecting even bush, moving part, exhaust hanger and heat shield I could find. Wasn't finding much but then as I levered the drivers rear spring shackle over, to check for movement/squeaking in the bush there was a squeak… And it looks like the lower bolt on the shackle was rubbing against the inner arch. A bit of hacksaw action quickly saw the bolt with about 20mm of room to move. (sorry poor picture) So hopefully that's the culprit. It was metal on metal contact, and that shackle is mounting rubber bushes at the frame rail to, so could jiggle a bit over bumps. I did have a quiet chat with the car while in the garage and threatened it with matches and or being sold if it doesn't stop squeaking soon haha. I've got my fingers crossed for tomorrow morning which is when I next need to take it out!
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2014 21:12:19 GMT by goldnrust
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eurogranada
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fingers crossed for you... I too really hate squeaks and rattles in a car... or noisy fans for that matter... Hope mine will be relatively rattle free when assembled!
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goldnrust
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Jan 24, 2014 18:58:33 GMT
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Rattles and squeaks over bumps is one thing, but the kinda that just resonate as you drive along are an entirely different kettle of fish! The good news is that the squeak has reduced, and now only squeaks over big bumps. Gonna go back through the list of things I checked before now. I was previously focussing on removing the squeak during normal driving, and may have overlooked the cause of this squeak over bumps. Also after much thought, I'm not happy with the idea of plugging and re-drilling the Rays wheels. I just think it'd be in the back of my mind every corning I go into that the wheels have been messed with, and I don't want that. So I'll carry on with the body work with the arches as they are now, just wide enough to clear the Cromodoras. Not sure what I'll do with the Rays wheels, keep them for a while I think incase I change my mind. So paint prep next then... notice all the procrastination at this stage, not my favourite job! haha.
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Last Edit: Jan 24, 2014 19:02:44 GMT by goldnrust
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Modified wheels shouldn't bug you mate, not if they've been done properly.
I ran them on my buggy for ages.
I'd be more worred about spacers and wobble bolts.
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