Ken
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I'm feeling the itch. I've been forced to go all family-man with 1.8T passat estate but I have a lockup calling for use. My favoured all-round useful fun cars, 99-900Turbo Saabs, are now too old and therefore unreliable for the daily commute so a separate weekend play thing is getting considerable thought. Sensible is not a real requirement but an ability to comfortably carry 4people on occasion is needed. Easy fitment, availability and cheapness of spares, old or new would be good so an idea which I've been mulling around for rwd fun is getting stronger and stronger ;D : Combine a solid mk4 2dr cortina body with a rear end shunted 24v Mondeo inc electrics, chuck in a type 9 gbox and capri rear axle/brakes and I get a fun car that’s just a little bit different but anyone can fix. Can the guys on here who've cortina experience please tell me of any set backs to this plan and places to get hold of knowledge and adaption kit to complete this little vision of mine. I've been reading the mk3 article in this month’s issue of Retro Cars with a vengeance. Oh, and a cheeky request: I've tried and failed with a borrowed copy of Photoshop to convert these two pics into anything which resembles what I want. Dark Green, thin orange stripe at swadge line, front bumper cut & bent to make 'quarter bumpers', driving lamps removed, black mech insert in grille, number plate below the air intakes of the front valence, subtly lowered on black-centred 5 spoke revolutions. Can anyone oblige 'cos I'm bu**ered if I can do it! cheers   |
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Saab Freak (in order of favouite first) '88 900 Turbo8 '86 900i Old Stripy '72 99 CM4 '83 99 '06 9-5 Aero 260 '96 9000 Turbo CSE '93 900 LPT SE (absolute Shed of a car) www.uksaabs.co.uk |
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need to make up mounts and stuff, might need to fart about with the water rail, be a lot of home made parts, be nice and be different, but easiest way to soup up an old tina these days is to drop a granny cossie 24v into it, fits in on the 2.3 mounts (if you can find a 2.3 estate car axle you can fit a capri LSD straight into it as well) and will give you 200bhp, you can buy a complete granny for £300 no bother.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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;DThat picture brings back memories of my first car,1977 Mk.4 1.3 OHV ! same colour but with far more rust ! ORD288R,does she still live with you Ford boys i wonder ?
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Just a modern....but surrounded every day by Porsche's !
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Dec 10, 2006 10:01:24 GMT
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Cant remember for sure but does the mondeo 24V bolt up to the type 9 or mt75. Ford have been a bit awkward over the past few years and stopped keeping their standard bellhousing bolt pattern. Zetecs are duratecs arent and the 1.4 and 1.7 arent. If not custom bell housings will be available but it just adds more cost. Type 9 will be above its limit with one of those engines though so an MT75 would probably be a better bet. Would make a pretty cool project though, never seen it done before   |
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Dec 10, 2006 10:14:19 GMT
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don't think the duratec engines fit the standard range of ford gearboxes unfortunatly which is an added complication, should fit an MX5 gearbox though so not a massive headache.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Dec 10, 2006 10:31:17 GMT
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I don't understand the "old must be unreliable" thing. We don't own anything younger than a 1986 at the moment with a 998cc Mini being used for a commute 35 miles to Oxford almost every day!
I think the Saab would be a gorgeous and dependable choice. Quite liking the Cortina idea as well though!
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1986 Citroen 2CV Dolly Other things. Check out my Blog for the latest! www.hubnut.org |
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Dec 10, 2006 10:46:55 GMT
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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Dec 10, 2006 10:53:18 GMT
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ounds like a wicked project. think its look mint with bubble arches but i could be completly wrong
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Dec 10, 2006 12:25:01 GMT
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I don't understand the "old must be unreliable" thing. We don't own anything younger than a 1986 at the moment with a 998cc Mini being used for a commute 35 miles to Oxford almost every day! I think the Saab would be a gorgeous and dependable choice. Quite liking the Cortina idea as well though! I don't get the old = unreliable too, but then my daily is a mere 39 years young  Provided you start with a good one & it's maintained properly, then it should be reliable Anyhow, by my standards a Saab 900 (proper one, not cavalier in drag) is a modern ;D |
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Dec 10, 2006 13:45:52 GMT
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Either way sounds like a plan, go in head first there will be someone to help! I'm sure of it, a wealth of help here and other specialist forums. |
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 it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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Dec 10, 2006 14:17:25 GMT
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is that a new Zealand cortina in the pic?
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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Dec 10, 2006 14:37:30 GMT
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sounds like a winner - I'm not a ford expert by any means but i'll give you moral support instead  |
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Dec 10, 2006 16:42:06 GMT
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Duratec 24v is not a cheap option, cos nothing fits Cosworth 24v also big money, cos it really needs a MT45 box (speedo sensor on side of box) and there isnt a standard, rwd V6 type so you have to get one built from a twincam sierra/granada box and a 2.9 xr4x4 box. Costs about £350 and the exchange box (or another £150) and thats just the gearbox.... The cheap solution is - 2.8 or 2.9 cologne, on 2.3 cortina mounts, v6 type 9 gearbox, cortina 2.3 back axle. Like mike said, plenty advice on the cortina forums By the way, this is my daily driver.......  |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Dec 10, 2006 18:25:03 GMT
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^^^tres cool pico
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Ken
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Dec 10, 2006 21:16:16 GMT
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Oh, I'm still a classic Saab nutter but I've found out the hard way that a 40 mile commute is too heavy on a car that is at least 14yrs old. Shame about the duratec...I understood (wrongly i guess)that it was basically zetec bottom end... ah well. I'd heard that Duratec transplant is popular with the capri crowd so thats where I was coming from
I still see 24v Scorpios around for much cheapness so thats an option but isn't it a lot heavier than Duratec?
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Saab Freak (in order of favouite first) '88 900 Turbo8 '86 900i Old Stripy '72 99 CM4 '83 99 '06 9-5 Aero 260 '96 9000 Turbo CSE '93 900 LPT SE (absolute Shed of a car) www.uksaabs.co.uk |
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Dec 10, 2006 21:29:27 GMT
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the scorpi 24v (cosworth) is still an iron block cologne engine, so yes, heavy, but no worse than the boat anchor they fitted to the 2.3 mk4/5 cortinas keeps the front pointing the right way, at least!! |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Ken
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Dec 10, 2006 21:58:52 GMT
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don't think the duratec engines fit the standard range of ford gearboxes unfortunatly which is an added complication, should fit an MX5 gearbox though so not a massive headache. Can someone explain the MX5 / mt75 gbox scenarios, what fits with what. I'm quite used to getting hands oily but this Ford parts fest I'm planning is a major move on I'm not really smitten with the idea of a cologne block, the handling is of equal importance to power for me - may have to stick with a 2litre zetec......then again the 2.8 capri managed quite well  , is the engine is those sat quite far back? |
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Last Edit: Dec 10, 2006 22:05:28 GMT by Ken
Saab Freak (in order of favouite first) '88 900 Turbo8 '86 900i Old Stripy '72 99 CM4 '83 99 '06 9-5 Aero 260 '96 9000 Turbo CSE '93 900 LPT SE (absolute Shed of a car) www.uksaabs.co.uk |
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Dec 10, 2006 22:14:45 GMT
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The MX5 box fits the duratec (sort of...) the MT75 hybrid is the one for the cosworth/cologne engine. Being V6ers, they are reasonably far back, and as you say, the capri injector did ok I've had cologne engined tinas before, and they are ok, positive and responsive to drive with few vices IF you have good tyres/shocks and have sorted the void bushes  for light weight, good power and a brilliant noise though what about a rover/tvr V8? its lighter than a pinto...... |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Dec 10, 2006 22:16:53 GMT
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The cortina can handle the weight of the V6 engine witthout really upsetting the handling of the cortina. Front springs would need to be upgraded to cope with the extra weight but then they would anyway if you are trying to improve the handling. don't know what gearboxes fit the duratec range of V6`s. I know Duratec 4 cylinders are a mazda bellhousing but I don't know if the V6`s are. And if they are I don't know if they have only one design of bellhousing If an MX-5 box fits I don't know how much power/torque they can handle. At a guess I would say 200bhp would be no problem but thats just working on the safety ratio the japs put into there gearboxes. Tubo MX-5s used to cope ok with 200bhp so it should be safe. Might be a better bet going for an MT-75 with a custom bellhousing though. Apologies for being as much use as a chocolate fireguard but I havent heard of it being done before. Most people stick to standard type swaps for ease but it would be great to see it done. |
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Dec 10, 2006 22:38:48 GMT
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whats a 4 litre tvr V8 going to cost - and what gearbox would have to be used with it in a cortina?
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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, is the engine is those sat quite far back?
for light weight, good power and a brilliant noise though what about a rover/tvr V8? its lighter than a pinto......