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Nov 13, 2006 22:09:57 GMT
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Were the 1600 charmants not all 4A engines. Just I remember getting a starter from one for my AE86 as well as a gearbox mount off what appeared to be a T50 box. Plus cross spoke alloys, panhard rod, petrol tank, clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder and a few other bits and pieces. ;D I will get one at some point. How much did you pay for that one if its not a rude question. I should have really got that 1600 on th ebay the other month but couldnt quite afford/justify the money he wanted for it.
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Hirst
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Nov 13, 2006 22:21:00 GMT
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Not sure, unless they came later. Maybe a 4AC or something? They've definitely never had anything particularly special shoved in.
Oh and this one, best £300 I ever spent.
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Nov 13, 2006 22:27:47 GMT
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Nov 13, 2006 22:33:06 GMT
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Let's just say it made up for the gutting defeat of not being able to get that 1600 LGX!!
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Nov 14, 2006 13:06:12 GMT
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Word of advice Hirst, not all AE86 parts will just 'swap over'. I will let you knoew how mine goes over the next few weeks as I am putting a 4age into my 4k KE70. I do know that my front suspenion top mounts are not ae86 fitment and are infact KP60 style. Also, you need to source a ae70 pedal box and gearbox cross member too, as these are a direct fit (or try ones from a TE71 maybe if you can find one, I bet there all the same, but mine are from an AUS AE70.) also,you can use the ae86 fuel tank, to save messing with the injection system. (i bought a ae86 to just swap all the parts over to make it a simple) and also, the rear axle is a straight swap to, but you can ue the std rear axel and use an early (Zenki) diff from a ae86 to save cas, but it wont be AS strong as the ae86 axel as they are thiner. seats don't bolt straight in to but thats ok as your keeping your std inside like me! you will need to source a ae86 xmember as its eaiser than making new engine mounts etc, then you know its all fitted good. You should use a better rad that the std one,a ae86 item is the best swap. And ae86 rear suspension is all ok, but the fronts you can use ae86 struts/hubs/brakes but you will need to buy them and the steering knuckleas they are not long enough as std. like I said, I will post a better detailed explanation as I have found out in the past that people tell you things will fit and they end up not fitting etc. but on MY ke70 the front top mounts are ke70 but someone else I know who is doing a 4age ke70 conversion said ae86 one fitted?? But his was a later facelift version so maybe thats why!??
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Nov 14, 2006 17:57:29 GMT
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What a lovely car, and a brilliant A reg pressed plate. Leave it as it is. Those wheels it's got are great!! It'd be terrible to see someone spoil that original car.
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"Listen to that exhaust note!!"
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Hirst
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Nov 14, 2006 18:38:38 GMT
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Some interesting info there, I did wonder about the front suspension to be honest. Luckily there's a lot of off the shelf KE70 stuff available in that regard. Just hope the Charmant suspension is the same as the KE70, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a little different to have a more soft ride or something. We will see! Unfortunately my driveway is going to hamper any lowering efforts, my mate couldn't get his Alfa 155 Sports down it at all and my dad's 407SW scrapes badly when he comes in. Might need some clever thinking there.
You keep us all informed of that KE70 build so I get an idea of what works and what doesn't. A lot of the info you hear around is a bit patchy and makes a lot of assumptions! Don't fancy shelling out hundreds for bits to find they're all useless so I'll watch yours first. You should have yours ready well before I even begin anyway. Incidentally what are you doing regarding the gearbox, T50 box? Someone said you can just use the K50 box but I'm not too sure I like the sound of that, surely it wouldn't be able to handle the power for long.
Hey and I like those wheels too! Problem is they have a diamond cut lip which is long gone, shame because I bet they looked absolutely great brand new. I could refurb them in the future maybe for "show use" or something, just so I can do things like put it to standard, then turn up at some snooty show and park it between all the Jaguars and Ferraris to see what happens. Don't worry about it too much though, all the mods I do will be reversible and everything will be in keeping with the car. 99% will be mechanical mods, as an example the most extreme visual mod is changing the mirrors which are mismatched ones anyway! I just want to improve the driving experience, the looks are pretty much spot on. All the bodywork is staying standard, won't be any bolt on flares or anything crazy! Think more confusing choice of personal import than bosozoku road machine!
And the tin plates are lovely, makes you wonder why they do them all plastic now, you see them all looking rough and leaking water in etc. on cars only a couple of years old. These are still mint.
I echo what you say about not spoiling it though, the mint LGX model on eBay was an absolute stunner, top of the line car with the spokey LGX wheels and everything. I have nightmares that it is being currently ripped apart to make a budget drift car with the lovely sofa style seats lying in a skip somewhere while some cheapo bucket seats are boshed in their place. Just to say nothing against drifting at all, but I hope no one gets the wrong impression with me wanting to put LSD on the car and drop in what is essentially a very popular drift car engine! I just want it to drive nicer than it does now (which is pretty good really).
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Nov 14, 2006 19:47:28 GMT
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I feel for you guys when it comes to doing the 4AGE swap on the KE's and KP's and so forth.
It's possible here to purchase the mounts off the shelf so to speak, there's a legions of engineers who have made them in the past and can knock up a set of mounts to suit a 4AGE into a K engined car in an afternoon.
A K50 box can be used if you find one with an A series bellhousing (off a 3A-U powered AE85, AE70 for example) - obviously a K50 off a K motor won't work because they don't have the detachable bellhousing like a lot of Toyota boxes. They can handle the power, it's a case of not abusing them, I know of several K50's that have survived behind 4AGE's and hi-po K series engines. The T50 is of course the better solution to the problem... we have the issue of them being worth craploads here, so a lot of guys are going to the W55 with a custom bellhousing as the T50's are just soooo expensive.
A good friend currently has his KE70 in the build, it's going to be a highly strung 4K powering it (292 degree cam......) more for fun than outright performance, will quiz him on the suspension side of things.
I'll let you know how the 5K goes once mine is sorted and in the KP, from impressions while the engine was in the Liteace, it revved just as hard as the 4K, and it was substantially torquier.
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Nov 14, 2006 22:11:09 GMT
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Hi guys yeah, once I start putting the parts over from the ae86 onto the ke70 I will write up a full photo report in the reders rides section etc. I would do it as I go along, but then I don't pay it the attention it deserves etc. I plan on keeping mine as it is, with the adition of JDM twin headlights and grille, and I cant decide if I want to get rid of the rubbing strip down the side?? After that, it just a case of the car becoming a ae86 running gear wise. The whole reason I am doing it is because I could just drive my ae86 but I wat something different but I want a ae86. I love ae8s really so this is bet of both worlds.
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Dec 26, 2006 23:32:15 GMT
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also,you can use the ae86 fuel tank, to save messing with the injection system. (i bought a ae86 to just swap all the parts over to make it a simple) and also, the rear axle is a straight swap to, but you can ue the std rear axel and use an early (Zenki) diff from a ae86 to save cas, but it wont be AS strong as the ae86 axel as they are thiner. Tetsujin, Is the whole rear axel identical to the Zenki axel or are only the diffs interchangable? When you said that the axel isn't as strong, did you mean the case, the axels themselves or somthing else? I have a Charmant and I have no idea what rear end do I have and what do I have to do to make it handle a lot of power. Swapping to an AE86 or any other old Toyota axel is not an option as they were never sold here. Thanks, Avner.
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Dec 27, 2006 19:09:02 GMT
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'just bought an ae86' i could 'just' buy one if i had 'just' 6k for a nice rotten one "diff tax"
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Hirst
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Dec 27, 2006 20:49:19 GMT
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Welcome other Charmant owner! Where are you located?
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