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Oct 31, 2006 11:56:31 GMT
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If you drive them std they are a bit 'sketchy' but with some good old ae86 uprated suspension (I'm using coilovers up front with adj short stroke dampers , 8kg springs and camber adjustable plates with RCA, and at the rear 6kg springs with TRD blue 8 way adj shocks and adj panardrod.) Judging by other ae86's that I have had in the past with similar spec it should handle great, and a TRD 2 way diff should make it tail happy to!  Std they are nice and comfy and I drove mine back 200 miles after buyig it and it was a comfy ride! Shame I couldnt get any decent radio stations though  Sorry for the hijack too.  |
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Oct 31, 2006 12:00:03 GMT
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!!WANT!! I take it that you're not doing a 4AGE swap?? |
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Oct 31, 2006 12:27:56 GMT
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i think Hurst is kepping with the 4k.
its alot cheaper than doing a 4age, as its not so bolt in like.
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Oct 31, 2006 19:01:34 GMT
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4AGE swap: The way I figure it, the 4K engine in it only has 45K miles on it so it would just seem a real shame to get rid of it without giving it a chance. Driving it back it seems a torquey and capable engine, I was surprised how powerful it was for an ancient design 1.3 in a fairly big (though surprisingly lightweight) car. So I'm going to try tuning it up a little first to see how well it responds. If it blows up or I just can't get the power, in goes the 4AGE 20 Valve version but it requires a lot of work and parts and there's other areas of the car wanting attention first. Apparently HKS made a bolt on turbo kit for the 4K some time ago though....!!
Suspension: I'd say it is fairly soft and spongy but a nice ride especially for an older car. I haven't really pushed it yet though, need to service it and get a rev counter first. Plan to replace it with AE86 stuff but not lowering it much, just enough to even out the arches! I fancy the AE86 rear axle plus 2-way LSD idea a lot though!
Signature: Carefully modified from those cheesy pixel cars off Japanese sites!
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Oct 31, 2006 19:08:19 GMT
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Are you not considering a 5K swap at all Hirst?
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Oct 31, 2006 19:17:33 GMT
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Love the idea's for the mods except...............the mirrors ! Cannot get my head around mirrors that stick up that much and on the wing ! What about nice chrome bullet style mirrors  Used to work for a Daihatsu dealer when the Copen was launched,great quirky cars. |
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Just a modern....but surrounded every day by Porsche's !
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Oct 31, 2006 19:34:09 GMT
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Are you not considering a 5K swap at all Hirst? Thought has crossed my mind actually, would be a nice halfway-house between 4K and 4AGE. What do they actually perform like? |
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Oct 31, 2006 19:35:38 GMT
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And re the square mirrors, I love them! I do like bullet mirrors but I don't think they'd suit the slab-sided look of the car.  Eeeeeeee! |
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Oct 31, 2006 19:52:54 GMT
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Are you not considering a 5K swap at all Hirst? Thought has crossed my mind actually, would be a nice halfway-house between 4K and 4AGE. What do they actually perform like? Onecam8ohv is your man to answer that - I suspect it won't rev so well but will have more grunt, greater torque thanks to the extra capacity. |
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Oct 31, 2006 20:09:27 GMT
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And re the square mirrors, I love them! I do like bullet mirrors but I don't think they'd suit the slab-sided look of the car. Eeeeeeee! I see where you are coing from on the originality look and i love the slap sided/box look,but the mirrors,hmmmmm.Good luck with it,nice un-usual bit of Japanese Retro. |
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Hope new R-R member and long time autoshiter Baz doesn't mind me posting his pic's, but look at this lovely Charmant that he saw in Norwich this very morning....   Looks a nice one eh?  |
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I 'personally' don't like bullet mirrors on these (KE70 sorry, as I don't have many pics of Charmant's )   they look ok from this angle...  |
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Eeee all the Charmants are coming out of the woodwork now eh! Always happens with me! Someone go get that Charmant 1600 snapped up, it's a facelift model. I hate it when I see cars like that because it makes me want to really desperately go over with a bottle of Back to Black and do the bumpers. Oh yeah quaint touch of the day - the sun visors are carpeted! Someone go and offer them the cash for that one, then I can form a Charmant owners club with owners as plural. Ten oof points on this: |
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Someone go and offer them the cash for that one, then I can form a Charmant owners club with owners as plural. I've already requested that Baz try and track them down, he's seen it several times before  Presumably the 1600 engine is a Carina/Celica type unit? |
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The 1600 is a Toyota 2T with 75hp, don't know much about the 2T. On paper sounds more modern than the 4K but not a lot faster. But as a 1600 you'll get a rev counter which is more than can be said for me. Of all the excess the Charmant gives me (the boot carpet is nice for example), a rev counter is the one thing I'd really appreciate!
Either way a Charmant is a Charmant, worst that could happen is you rip out the engine and put a different one in!
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Nov 13, 2006 14:44:09 GMT
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Nice touch Hirst, I used to see this car floating around (when i was a lad etc. etc.), the dealer was situated only a few mins from where I live in Wallasey, and at the time the guy I worked with had an '83/4 1600 LE auto Charmant which we travelled up and down the country in, used to go like stonk but damn thirsty. Those were the days. Try and find out some more history for me, I'm interested purely because it was a local car.
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Nov 13, 2006 16:42:12 GMT
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id be tempted t try and find some chrome bumpers for it. perhaps mk1 golf bumpers would fit?? please say ull be dropping it on it  soon, pretty please!!!!! |
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Nov 13, 2006 16:48:40 GMT
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that car is great. i want one!!!
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Nov 13, 2006 19:57:01 GMT
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are you going to get another milkshake? i miss the milkshake. you never slammed it on the ground neivver
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Nov 13, 2006 21:53:34 GMT
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Right here's a bit of multi-stage answering: Milkshake: I slammed it in the bin! The newsagents had Yazoo the other day, mind. Was tempted but they had a load of big size Aeros in the out of date sweets bin for 20p a time. I only had a pound on me, so obviously cut-price Aeros beat Yazoo and I settled for a can of Bass Shandy with my old flaky chocolate instead. Engine: I've had a change of heart and decided that no matter how much I tune up the 4K it'll never be incredibly powerful, so I'm just going to cheaply and mildly tune it up for the time being and save for a new engine to put in, maybe in 2007 if I'm lucky. I'm going to go for the 20V version of the 4AGE probably. Will need a lot of extra parts including gearbox, pedals, just think of all the MISERY involved in sourcing it all. Lovely. The loom looks like a depressing mess but having never put an engine in a car before what would I know! Probably nothing. Anyway, I fancy keeping this non-turbo, suits the character of it a bit more. So no GTti engines, that can be when I find another Charmant. I'll just harvest them all up! Regardless of what happens: - This car will remain beautiful metallic beige with cream/brown interior - Keeping the dark pre-facelift grille as opposed to the "racy" silver facelift one - AM Radio stays Chrome bumpers: Maybe KE70 ones would fit? Interesting fact: The AE86 is the exact same length, width and wheelbase as the Charmant, yet the AE86 weighs about 100kg extra! Funny really, pretty much everything off the AE86 can be fitted, rear axles with 2-way LSDs, etc. And brakes, going to need those maybe. Question for you dashboard/gauge/electrical boffins, what is the possibility of me fitting a Celica Supra or AE86 digidash to this car?  History: This was owned by an old bloke who ran it for years and years and years, he then sold it on to his grandson who presumably used it for a while, then sold it onto Hatsu off here who sold it on to me. Don't know much more about it, not many clues unfortunately. Seems pretty well looked after though, would be willing to bet if it wasn't garaged for the majority of its life it was washed very often! |
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Used to work for a Daihatsu dealer when the Copen was launched,great quirky cars.
