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Oct 18, 2006 14:20:06 GMT
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Looks like UK TVR manufacture has gone Taters up after all. curse word. First Chinese MGFs now we are going to see Russian TVRs made in Kazakstan by the likes of Borat. Buggeration and other words I shouldn't be allowed to say on here. |
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Oct 18, 2006 14:42:53 GMT
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Hi MeatBallTurbo. Another local to myself.  I'm new. What a shame.  It looks like the only thing we'll make here soon will be buses. Dennis are still huge in this country. |
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Last Edit: Oct 18, 2006 14:43:42 GMT by transitmk3
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Oct 18, 2006 14:49:03 GMT
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Build a shonky product and its cheaper to build that same shonky product overseas... see Rover and TVR for reference.
Build a quality product and people will keep their business here,.. see Toyota and Honda for reference...
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Bad news for Blackpool.tigran
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Oct 18, 2006 15:14:15 GMT
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Although to be fair it hasn't mentioned relocating abroad, simply setting up purpose built facilities.
To be honest the blackpool set up tvr have is a right kerfuffle compared to a modern factory.
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Oct 18, 2006 15:18:10 GMT
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They are not dead..... far from it  They are having a proper reorganisation to get the quality issues sorted once and for all |
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Last Edit: Oct 23, 2006 6:59:12 GMT by CR500Dom
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Oct 18, 2006 15:20:07 GMT
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Build a shonky product and its cheaper to build that same shonky product overseas... see Rover and TVR for reference. Build a quality product and people will keep their business here,.. see Toyota and Honda for reference... Mmm - i'm not so sure, Toyota & Honda have the financial backing of a large multi-national company to offset costs. Our countries situation - not helped by our government's policies - doesn't give manufacturing companies (especially those who rely on a certain degree of export) Much room for manouver - profit margins are low & hence so is investment back into the company & its products. Its no wonder British made products are falling by the wayside - it seems to be a case of move abroad or die  Real shame about TVR - I knew it spelled doom when Pete Wheeler sold out  |
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Oct 18, 2006 16:29:05 GMT
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Personally I think the only reason most people bought a TVR was because it was made in Blackpool . By being Russianowned and now built overseas they have at a stroke removed the only selling point that the cars have.
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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Oct 18, 2006 16:53:37 GMT
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Hi MeatBallTurbo. Another local to myself. I'm new. What a shame. It looks like the only thing we'll make here soon will be buses. Dennis are still huge in this country. My Uncle was a man and boy Foden worker. From apprentice ship to when they shut the doors. That and ERF were the big employers in Sandbach. The ERF went, and that is a housing estate and McD's drive through now, and Fodens got bought by PACCAR and became just a parts division and service centre. The main assembly plant got flattened and became housing. A lot of the other units behind the main front end did carry on as a go carting place and some chemical supplier and garages, but one day the chemical place caught fire, and took the go-carts and garages with it. And yes, it is now another housing estate. All Sandbach has now is houses for commuters. Mind you Warrington and Crewe seems to be turning into a bigger version. |
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Oct 18, 2006 17:31:30 GMT
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good luck to em i say lets face facts the only well built british cars are those that are built at home by their owners |
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Oct 18, 2006 21:22:10 GMT
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I thought a new factory was going to built near Blackpool with a museum and sales attached,well that was the plan when i was at Gorners TVR before they went belly up.Took a Sagaris engine there before i got made redundant,what a place ! smell of glass fibre and loads of skilled workers creating the beasties !
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Just a modern....but surrounded every day by Porsche's !
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Oct 18, 2006 21:54:24 GMT
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Just been on Granada TV,it's official,TVR has gone from Blackpool and is going abroad......big shame,another UK car builder gone.
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Just a modern....but surrounded every day by Porsche's !
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To be fair, perhaps they would sell more if they had a couple of core models instead of approximately seventeen 'two seater sports cars' and a further eight 'two seater cenvertibles or targa-topped sports cars', all of which cost 'about £40-50k' and all of which did 'about 180mph'.
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its a shame they are doing this when only a few months ago there was so much talk of a new plant etc in blackpool
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Bad news for Blackpool.BenzBoy
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Oct 19, 2006 11:34:07 GMT
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I think this should be viewed positively. OK, production will no longer be in the UK - but we've been uncompetitive in the manufacturing sector for many many years. Personally I'd rather see high quality, competitively priced TVR sportscars built abroad than over-priced, badly built TVRs built in this country for another 18 months until the whole company went bust.
It's a shame that Britain doesn't have an appreciable manufacturing industry any more, and I'm not an economist so I don't know why this is. As Clarkson said: the Germans can do it, so why can't we? But whatever the reasons, that's the way it is.
The fact is, we're richer as a country than we've ever been. And the most economical places to make things is in poorer countries.
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Bad news for Blackpool.tigran
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Oct 19, 2006 11:40:36 GMT
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I'd still buy a tvr if they are built in the old skool way no matter where they are built.
On anoher note why can nissan and honda manage to build high quality, profitable and widely bought cars in england yet others can't?
Surely this cuts the legs from under the 'we can't build cars for shit' argument?
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Oct 19, 2006 11:52:49 GMT
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I don't see a positive in this at all..
Ok so they might (and it's just a might) keep some of the production in the UK. This might goto exsisting companies, it might not. If new companies are setup instead of TVR Ltd for eg, they change the name to TVR Cars Ltd, and register a new company, they will get all sorts of grants tax breaks etc from the UK Gov, as they will be classed as a startup company. Once the tax breaks are over and any incentives they have been given run out they will just curse word over another town and move on.
TVR will no longer be a hancrafted British product, it will be a amalgamation (Spelling?) of parts built to a price and not to a quality, and using a once great name to market this worldwide.
The UK is not set up because of the wibblepoo Government that we have in place, we need to import everything now, from the raw ingredients to products and the workforce as well. All to support the fragile UK economy.
TVR, could/should have been a big name, and off the back of the film Swordfish alone TVR had thousands of enquiry's from the USA.... Oh what could have been...
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Oct 19, 2006 11:54:15 GMT
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A small company may need shift out to make money, on the whole though it Stinks IMO, govenment should invest an interest at least in our manufacturing companies. I'm convinced people would buy british cars if they were built, designed, and priced well, surely its possible. Imagine if all the clever people joined forces, to make it happen. |
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Oct 19, 2006 12:09:53 GMT
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Manufactuering will eventually move back to the UK, because of a number of factors, in the short term the quality of the cheaper countries isn't as good as it could be and people will get fed up of having to do product recalls (anyone that knows about the Dell/Sony/Toshiba laptop battery situation knows this already) and secondly eventually it won't be cheaper as these countries get unions and get a smarter worker force the same thing will happen as happened in the UK in the 70's. Smart business will be able to make money whereever their factories are by working better. See Nissan and Toyota ... |
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Oct 19, 2006 13:19:39 GMT
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Been lurking on here for a while so thought I'd pop my 1st thread cherry on this subject.
The comments about the UK manufacturing industry here are spot on, as has been said the Germans can do it, but they get backing from their government and the German population are very patriotic when it comes to buying stuff made in their own conutry. At the end of the day most people want the lowest price full stop - they couldn't give a momkey's where it comes from.
I work for a Japanese electronics company and the way the whole industry has gone in the last 8 years is just sad.
Many J production sites are not set up to make a profit, they are run on an attempted break even point. The products are sold at cost to the sales companies and importers and they get the lions share of the profit for doing very little - the money goes back to the parent company and they then keep the production plants going through any hardships. Don't know if Nissan & toyota are like this over here.
A comment was made about stuff coming back to the UK eventually. Maybe but not in our or our kids' life time.
My company runs the production out in Czech now and there are hundreds of factories out there doing the same. I now they could shift to Poland, Hungary, Romania etc. when things get pricey (as has been talked about). That's without even considering Russia.
China will be the manufacturing power house for many years to come and I don't fancy anyones chances of getting together a union system out there that the big players will take notice of.
All we have to look forward to in this country are job losses & factory closures while they throw up housing estates quicker than you can fart.
Bit of a rant but I'm done now,
JB
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Oct 19, 2006 13:23:07 GMT
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welcome to the forum JB! ;D
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It looks like the only thing we'll make here soon will be buses. Dennis are still huge in this country.
