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It -may- have potential.
But I'd sooner poke my eyes out with twigs than try and find that potential.
There's my summary. Does that make sense.....?
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Right then, that's the looks sorted. However it's a car, so what about the driving experience? A dog curse word sandwich is still going to be pretty unpleasant regardless of how much ketchup you put on it. Brown sauce would probably hide a bit more of the unpleasant taste but I don't think either will mask the smell. ;D BUT.... How many cars that are "slammed" or "in the weeds" are unpleasant driving experiences  I guess driving experience depends on what you want in the way of a journey. Personally I like to be entertained by the driving experiencebut not in the steering is independant from the wheel and goes where it wants to way  |
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Right then, that's the looks sorted. However it's a car, so what about the driving experience? A dog curse word sandwich is still going to be pretty unpleasant regardless of how much ketchup you put on it. Depends if you want a driving experience or a looking experience,.. sometimes you can get both but not always... slammed splitty, looks cool, drives like a pig.  |
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It -may- have potential. But I'd sooner poke my eyes with twigs out than try and find that potential. There's my summary. Does that make sense.....? Makes sense to me. but would you think it cool once a modding legend has completely rebuilt it to a smartlooking (to us), porsche embarrassing machine? I realise there will be some new non standard bits on a modded 'curse word car', the ultimate cool for me is using as many original bits as poss, rather than stove in a cossie and sapph 4x4 running gear. |
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Right then, that's the looks sorted. However it's a car, so what about the driving experience? A dog curse word sandwich is still going to be pretty unpleasant regardless of how much ketchup you put on it. Depends if you want a driving experience or a looking experience,.. sometimes you can get both but not always... slammed splitty, looks cool, drives like a pig. A slammed splitty may drive like a pig, But on a warm summer day with the safari windows open and with the right tunes and some mates along for the ride, surely it still a pleasant place to be? I'll agree you need a compromise of style and substance. A car to have 'potential' must evoke some sort of positive emotion. Maybe? I wonder if i'm painting myself into a corner here? |
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Last Edit: Oct 5, 2006 9:17:56 GMT by Jack
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Surely all cars have potential, from a show point of view especially. Its probably easier to make a car look good than it would be than to improve its performance or handling.
There are a lot of cars that I really don't like but that wouldnt stop me being impressed by one and stopping to take photos at a car show.
That doesnt mean to say I would consider making a project out of one.
I would personally have to like the basics of a car to consider making it into a project rather than doing it just to be different. If it was an unconventional and unusual choice fine but I wouldnt choose it on that criteria alone.
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yes, some cars are sh!t and a waste of time to modify or even restore. But that shouldn;t stop people going for it if thats what they really really want. EG your grandfather had one when you were a kid and you have happy memories of summer picnicsa by the sea - so you just have to have a Montego...
Some cars are sh!t bu t they have their place in history - the Montego was the last proper Austin designed car and as such it has a certain historic value. It would be a shame if they all went. But they are a bit poo.
The thing is for the time effort and money invested in a sh!t car you can have a good one. There are good cars going begging and getting scrapped or bangered. A "good" car will be easier to sell on when you get bored with it and fancy another project / have a child / etc. Lets face it a slammed rat look Hyundai Accent tuned up and road rippin' would get everyone on here saying what a cool chap you are but then when you come to sell it nobodys buying and you just kissed any money you put into it good bye as you scrap it. But of you'd done a Mk1 Fiesta, Mk5 Cortina or Capri (which can still be bought cheaply) or heck a Rover P4 90 or something (again can be had cheap if you look) you''d have a car which you could sell and get your money back (maybe more, maybe less)
General public concensus defines what is sh!t. IE the people who will bid on it (or not) on eBay...
I remember back inthe 70s/80s there was a period like this scene is now. People were building what ever was handy or cheap. Some really odd cars got built. IT was a good time for creativity and enthusiasm in the scene. The thing is a lot of cars just didn;t work out. I remember one of the mags (CC, Street Machine, Hot Car, I forget) suggesting that people took a little more time and actually hunted out the car they wanted which would work with the styling they were following rather than just grabbing their neihbours old car because it was cheap and no effort to source. The same (or less effort) would then result in a better looking finished product. Sometimes a cheap base car is a false economy.
There is also an element of the "dare to be different" scene of the late 80s/early90s in the USA where people stoped building '49 Mercs, '57 Chevys and '32 Fords and instead hunted out the most obscure vehicle they could find as a base for their rod/kustom. SOme interesting vehicles got built but a lot of the time it was more "look at the oddball vehicle I chose" not "look at the skills and taste I have employed building the car".
I think we are in danger of following that route a bit where people deliberatly pick odd or sh!t cars for the "wow" factor of "look how stupid my project is" and then theres not a lot of substance behind it. ie good engineering, decent mods, well thought out styling.
But we can't all built the same cars or it'll get like Billing in the late 80s where every car was a red '32 Ford roadster - or early 2000s where just about every car was a mattblack rat rod.
Just my 2p.
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.......ended up thinking what that would look like super-low on fat little wheels. IMO almost any car would look good if you followed the above quote. |
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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I agree wholeheartedly, but car ownership/taste is a very subjective matter. |
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i think everything can have potential it just takes the right person to bring the potential out..
take this for an example
your at high school, its ur last day of 2nd year. theres a very ordinary bird who u talk too every no and again
fast forward over the 6 weeks holidays....
suddenly the ordinary bird is fit as fook.
its all hidden potential.....
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Yup. Everycar ever made has potential. Either when new/near new as the new Barry mobile, or 20 years after being barried to death, compared to the latest models it will look "cute" or "Sweet" or just plain no other word for it "retro" because it is the exact opposite of the current angled box/jelly mould/ flame surfaced bangle blob/floating egg that every curse word is going into debt to own.
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i think everything can have potential it just takes the right person to bring the potential out.. take this for an example your at high school, its ur last day of 2nd year. theres a very ordinary bird who u talk too every no and again fast forward over the 6 weeks holidays.... suddenly the ordinary bird is fit as fook. its all hidden potential..... yeah, but some of them will always be the fat smelly stupid ones with facial hair and a bad attitude. Unless you like big fat smelly hairy birds who end every sentense with "am ah bovverd?" |
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i think everything can have potential it just takes the right person to bring the potential out.. take this for an example your at high school, its ur last day of 2nd year. theres a very ordinary bird who u talk too every no and again fast forward over the 6 weeks holidays.... suddenly the ordinary bird is fit as fook. its all hidden potential..... Yeah, but you're still suffering from six weeks of drinking cider in the sun ;D Like someone said I think it's all about the emotions any particular car stirs up for you personally. Beauty, and therefore potential, is in the eye of the beholder I say! |
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Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres
A borrowed Mondeo
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^^^^ Concur with the above
Potential is definitely in the eye of the beholder, theres no two ways about it.
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theres also an element of "what do you want it for". A 1992 Mazda 626 has potential to be a decent daily driver with wallow suspension, decent reliability and good MPG for its size. Thats about it. But thats what we have out '92 Mazda for... So its spot on. Bangernomics. I wouldn't spend money on modifying it though. OTOH, a Sunbeam Rapier is a great retro / classic. I'm not sure it would be an ideal daily driver for my wife though...
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most things have potential for instance 5 years ago you'd of laughed your head off at ever owning a metro now i wouldnt mind one my self after seing slaters buy  |
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I think this thread has really got somewhere, trg1984 and JonnySierra are close to hitting nail on the head for me. Alistair and Jack present some fair real life realities too to stop us going head first into a daft project. Of course I don't want to buy something thats fugly to start off with, and is going to cause me no end of hassle and days in the garage to keep it alive, or years in the garage to make it fun. I have ran like hell in the past from cars with apparently 'dodgy electrics' or handle badly. Personaly for now with the current fleet i'm playing it safe with cars i know that are ok to live with and handle nice and go fairly well while i learn a bit, I do have the urge to stuff a 4age or summat in a Fiat 126 though, and radically mod a citroen BX or even a Mega crazy Victor Meldrew mobile. I personally wouldn't be doing it to try to show off to my peers but for fun for me. although I'd hope the efforts and end product would be appreciated |
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Anything with wheels which has been done well has my interest and "approval" should you even care about that LOL.
"good" cars are cheap enough (if you look) that you have no need to build something "because its all I can afford". OK if you really really want a Mk1 Escort 2 door you'll have to drop some dough on it as a base vehicle but 4 doors, or off-brand options mean you can have something of the same ilk for sensible money. Nobody has to own a Corsa!
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See I don't mind Corsa's and I think its unfair they've been so badly branded as chav mobiles. Like my Saxo. Its a really canny little car. It handles well is pretty nippy, comfortable just a shame its french and keeps breaking. I don't regret buying it. I've enjoyed driving it and would have another one.
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