Mike D
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Isuzu Piazza rear axles..Mike D
@v8mike
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Aug 24, 2006 15:21:02 GMT
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i know a few folk off here have had experience with them, so i'm after some advice please i'm after the lsd one to go under the back of the cav... which model car is the one to get them from? is it the turbo manual? i assume they're fairly strong? i'm hoping that it'll take a pretty stock rover v8?.. what bits do i need with them? brake calipers and prop uj's? anything else? are they an easy swap to a mk1 cav? and finally, what's the going rate for one? (axle, not car! i'm not paying 8K for one ) Cheery mucho Mike
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Last Edit: Aug 24, 2006 15:22:24 GMT by Mike D
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Aug 24, 2006 15:51:11 GMT
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the turbo cars have lsd, I'm sure they only did a 2ltr turbo for this country. they crop up on ebay the whole cars for around £300 spares or repairs. or the axel alone can be the same sort of price from what ive seen. thats all i can help with as thats all i know!
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Aug 24, 2006 15:54:48 GMT
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All Piazzas sold here were turbo IIRC, but I believe only the manual one had LSD, auto did not. Even a manual one may have had an axle change at some point, so probably not wise to buy unseen.
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Aug 24, 2006 16:23:32 GMT
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Manual cars had an LSD as standard, autos I believe were optional again you are better checking to see if it has an LSD as a lot have been removed now as its the only bit that people want. I managed to get two piazza`s for £41, both manual with LSD`s. One wasnt salvageable so I stripped it for a future project. The diff itself will fit straight into a manta axle casing without any modifying. The full axle is narrower than a manta B but wider than a chevette/kadett. Hope this is some help.
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Mike D
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 2,197
Club RR Member Number: 57
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Isuzu Piazza rear axles..Mike D
@v8mike
Club Retro Rides Member 57
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Aug 24, 2006 17:45:53 GMT
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i've found 2 manual turbo's, i'll be checking they are actually lsd before i buy, they want £150 for an axle, does this seem fair? are there any markings that define them as lsd units? or is it just a case of whipping the brake calipers off and checking the hubs both go the same way when turned? Cheers, Mike narrower rear means i can run more dish! *edit* are they still 4x100mm pcd?
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Last Edit: Aug 24, 2006 17:47:12 GMT by Mike D
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Aug 24, 2006 17:50:33 GMT
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Mike - a stock Rover V8 will go through a Manta B axle. LSD would be a few pennies though...
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Aug 24, 2006 20:25:12 GMT
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£150 for an axle is a good price, if you stick it on the bay you will get £300+ (I did!!)
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Aug 24, 2006 20:49:12 GMT
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Its not a straight swap so be warned Its a 4 link axle for a start with no Torque tube so you are into mountings for top links and a new prop The pcd is 4x100 but its got a drum in hat handbrake set up that means you need 15" wheels to be sure of clearing them or you end up changing all that for integral calipers and smaller discs like I have Personally the Standard axle you have will take a Rover V8 and is a lot less hassle to fit But Bo11ox is right about Ebay and prices...... getting silly
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Aug 24, 2006 22:01:07 GMT
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I was thinking earlier about Carltons... 2.0 Family II engine - 125bhp? 5 speed manual 'box Axle? I heard a rumour a while back that the GSi ones (12v? 24v seems more likely...) had LSDs in them... But...They're 5-stud. Can the hubs be modified to 4x100? Then I remembered that I'd seen a 'box on The Bay which, from memory is the same ZF unit used in the Corvette? And...Since the Lotus used a modified GM six, it might fit the Family II...slightly overkill though So, my mind's stumbling leads to.... Buy a 2.0 Manual Carlton for £50-100, build engine to a similar spec as bodydrop's drag Nova, rock the Carlton axle (GSi if you can find one/if it'll take it/it has an LSD), strip the interior and go cossie-baiting... The other thing I theorised (I do these kind of things whilst bored :/) is: Chevette/Kadett Built Family II 2.0 8v with bike carbs (constant velocity?) and a blower or a turbo... Suitable axle Bellhousing from A-Frame Engineering (or any of the other usual suspects) BW T5. . Never mind - the Carlton has an independant rear? Then thinking baout the T5, I started thinking about the MT75...I know a Type9 is supposed to be 'good' for about 150 lb/ft...Does anyone know the limits of the MT75? *n
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Aug 24, 2006 22:08:24 GMT
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thats kinda spooky as i was just about to post an add for a piazza for sale the guy wants £200 for comes with a spare engine as well been off the road for a couple of years but runs and drive and its the lotus version aswell manual and has a slipper i'm off to the nats for the weekend but if anyone wants it Pm me and i'll give you the guys details
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Aug 24, 2006 22:19:34 GMT
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Then I remembered that I'd seen a 'box on The Bay which, from memory is the same ZF unit used in the Corvette? The Lotus Carlton does use what appears to be the same 6 speed ZF as a 'Vette - as far as the installation drawing is concerned, the only difference is in the gear linkage. However there may be other (internal?) differences though - I'm sure BC will know! Also, IIRC the max power ZF say it can take is around 350 / 400 bhp.
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bstardchild
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Isuzu Piazza rear axles..bstardchild
@bstardchild
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Aug 24, 2006 22:25:14 GMT
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Then I remembered that I'd seen a 'box on The Bay which, from memory is the same ZF unit used in the Corvette? The Lotus Carlton does use what appears to be the same 6 speed ZF as a 'Vette - as far as the installation drawing is concerned, the only difference is in the gear linkage. However there may be other (internal?) differences though - I'm sure BC will know! Also, IIRC the max power ZF say it can take is around 350 / 400 bhp. You are spot on only the linkage is different and thats a typical lotus bodge modicfication They will take more than 400 bhp - but for how long I don't know curse word gearbox - agricultural change - whines and rattles at tickover and the silliest set of gear ratios ever - I mean what use is a 6th gear you can't use below 80 mph or 2000 rpm!!!
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Aug 24, 2006 22:29:15 GMT
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Do those boxes appear in some late-model Omega MV6's too?
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Aug 24, 2006 22:34:08 GMT
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They will take more than 400 bhp - but for how long I don't know curse word gearbox - agricultural change - whines and rattles at tickover and the silliest set of gear ratios ever - I mean what use is a 6th gear you can't use below 80 mph or 2000 rpm!!! The lifespan is the issue - I know someone who is bolting one onto the back of a 550bhp engine (with a custom bellhousing that I helped design) & the official ZF maximum power was well below that. As for the ratios, they are perfect for him though as he wants over 200mph ;D
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bstardchild
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Isuzu Piazza rear axles..bstardchild
@bstardchild
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Aug 24, 2006 22:44:52 GMT
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Do those boxes appear in some late-model Omega MV6's too? Nah they are variations of the std R25/28 that was fitted in the Senator Calton 6 pots
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bstardchild
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Isuzu Piazza rear axles..bstardchild
@bstardchild
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Aug 24, 2006 22:46:08 GMT
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They will take more than 400 bhp - but for how long I don't know curse word gearbox - agricultural change - whines and rattles at tickover and the silliest set of gear ratios ever - I mean what use is a 6th gear you can't use below 80 mph or 2000 rpm!!! The lifespan is the issue - I know someone who is bolting one onto the back of a 550bhp engine (with a custom bellhousing that I helped design) & the official ZF maximum power was well below that. As for the ratios, they are perfect for him though as he wants over 200mph ;D 6th might be fine for his top speed but the gap between 5th and 6th is as wide as the Suez Canal!!!!
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Aug 24, 2006 22:55:36 GMT
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It's geared to pull over 200 in 5th, so I think he want's the 6th for cruising it at those speeds Haven't spoken to him about it for a while though, but I don't think much has happened recently The whole car is his own design (even the wheels - only major bought-in parts are the diff, steering rack, brakes and gearbox) & I've helped a bit with developing the styling and also few technical drawings, so I can't wait to see it when it's done ;D If he gets bored with the performance, there's always two big turbos and about 800bhp
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Aug 24, 2006 23:01:15 GMT
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bstardchild - is the straight 6 bellhousing the same as a Family II bellhousing?
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Aug 24, 2006 23:04:15 GMT
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OOOOOH...
Interesting...
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Aug 24, 2006 23:13:31 GMT
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Blimey...nearly 210lb/ft can be shoved through the R28...
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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