purplevanman
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Aug 29, 2011 18:58:43 GMT
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I am in the process of shoving the Sierra diesel engine into the Dutton but the original big wing sump pan won't fit  Can anyone inform me of the compatability of other ford sumps ? Not looking for exact fit just one that will bolt up so I can modify it to suit the crossmember a bit easier than the big wing jobbie.    |
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Aug 29, 2011 19:50:16 GMT
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Hi  I had a Sierra TD for a while, was told the sump on those is unique (sump at end  ), maybe see if an Escort TD or similar is a better match for what you're doing  There was a pic of my (non-Sierra) spare engine with a few helpful posts pointing out the differeences between various Di/TD sumps, but I can't find the post now  Best wishes |
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I'm sure I've read that these are based on the South African crossflow block. If you cross reference the sump gasket part no. with that of a 1600 crossflow, maybe that will confirm this?
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bortaf
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Aug 30, 2011 10:01:12 GMT
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The offfical ford name for the diesel is the KENT diesel so there may well be some truth in the Xflow lead ?? other thamn that FWD escort or mondeo might be an easyer fit? shame cos i just sold a diesel block with a modded sump to fit a 100E, that might of done you fit wise  |
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Aug 30, 2011 10:57:36 GMT
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the sumps off of mondeo/escort tds kinda fit, but they have cut outs for a crankseal that the sump bolts to, so you need to change the crank seal too.
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Aug 30, 2011 11:58:42 GMT
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I spent yesterday pulling an 1800 dizzle out of a fwd Escort van - hope to put it in my rwd Escort van at some point.. The sump is entirely square (no wings) - I can pic / measure if it's of help bud?
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Aug 30, 2011 12:01:20 GMT
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Are P100 sumps different?
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purplevanman
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Aug 30, 2011 21:04:04 GMT
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now the crossflow lead is good as that is what just came out  will have to drain it and try mondeo sump may be a pain if I have to do the crank seal as I don't really want to strip much :/ cheers all |
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bortaf
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Aug 30, 2011 23:10:23 GMT
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Are P100 sumps different? same as sierra with wings, you can just see it lower left?   if you want fo fit a RWD sump you need to fit the RWD rear oil seal and drill the block for the furthest right bolt, that is if your starting with a FWD block, fitting a FWD seal to a RWD engine is straight on just block the extra hole left over with a bolt.  |
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2011 23:13:28 GMT by bortaf
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Aug 31, 2011 11:47:08 GMT
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Grunty is your Dutton basically a Mk1 Escort in shell suit? If so I'll be watching with maximum interest.. ;D
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Sept 1, 2011 15:28:36 GMT
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Are P100 sumps different? same as sierra with wings, you can just see it lower left? if you want fo fit a RWD sump you need to fit the RWD rear oil seal and drill the block for the furthest right bolt, that is if your starting with a FWD block, fitting a FWD seal to a RWD engine is straight on just block the extra hole left over with a bolt. What is this drilling you say you have to do in the block for the bolt on the right?? Ive just converted a escort fwd to rear drive and the rear crank seal cage/mount like on your pic bolted straight on,all the holes were there and i know the engine has never been messed with as took it out my mates car who had it from pretty much new?? All i did was fit the oil pick up pipe off the p100 and sump,went straight on. Has anyone fitted a fwd flywheel to rwd box as the p100 flywheel is mega mega heavy and want to loose some weight. Also the clutch in the fwd is massive compared to the rwd in the sierra and p100. Ive tried mating the rear drive box with the fwd flywheel and clutch but its about 2inch away from the bearing/clutch arm. Was thinking of using a mondeo in box clutch slave cylinder but would be a pig to mount it |
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Sept 1, 2011 18:16:37 GMT
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Ive just looked at my back plate where the crank seal goes in and its different to yours. Where the plate goes up and the right hand top bolt is, mine has a core plug |
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Sept 1, 2011 19:09:03 GMT
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now the crossflow lead is good as that is what just came out will have to drain it and try mondeo sump may be a pain if I have to do the crank seal as I don't really want to strip much :/ cheers all Ive got a mondeo sump and the back plate for the crank seal if you need one. Only takes 2 mins to swap over |
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purplevanman
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Sept 1, 2011 20:08:56 GMT
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is a mondy sump steel or ally?
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bortaf
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Sept 1, 2011 22:18:43 GMT
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The hole I drilled was on a mondeo block, they must be differant to the escort blocks then ? I have a non turbo on a 4 clyinder type 9 using a FWD flywheel and pinto clutch but havn't got round to sorting a starter that works yet cos the petrol B/H has the starter hole in a differant place, I need to get some starters in there and see what meshes correctly, I have RWD and FWD diesel and pinto starters just not had the time  RWD on the right FWD on the left the extra width is why the diesel type 9 has the long input shaft and the deeper B/H and why you need a 4 cyl box for the FWD flywheel.  RWD flywheel bolts on the right. It is fooking HUGE aint it  no doubt why the RWD engines idle smoother than the FWD, my escort used to shake a fair bit compaired to me P100 but then the RWD mounts are better IMHO  |
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Sept 1, 2011 22:54:25 GMT
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Right that explains it then I'm using an escort tdi engine 90bhp I think stock. The P100 seems to be really slow off the mark compared to the escort in RPM terms so that big old lump of weight hanging off the crank aint good! ;D
I like the idea of a pinto clutch pressure plate,as it looks a lot deeper than the mondeo and escort one,so may make the gap up. What dia is the cluch plate you are using?? Ive just looked it up and a pinto one is 215mm.Mine is 240mm which is the biggest ford put on the 1.8td. I want to use it for towing so need it big as poss.I'm using an MT75 box out the 2litre twin cam sierra of which I have made a remote linkage on mgf cables. Havent looked at starters yet but thought the p100 one may fit as they run the type 9 box as you say.
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Last Edit: Sept 1, 2011 23:19:01 GMT by avengergt2
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Sept 1, 2011 22:55:44 GMT
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is a mondy sump steel or ally? Ally and the bottom is completely flat on the escort one ive just take off but will check the mondeo one when i get 5 |
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the extra width is why the diesel type 9 has the long input shaft and the deeper B/H and why you need a 4 cyl box for the FWD flywheel. wonder if you could run a normal type 9 with a machined down/petrol/fwd flywheel? |
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is a mondy sump steel or ally? Ally and the bottom is completely flat on the escort one ive just take off but will check the mondeo one when I get 5 I will have to measure the gap to the steering rack then as I won't be able to modify an ally one |
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Sept 4, 2011 12:02:57 GMT
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The mondeo sump is the same as the escort one they are quite deep. Can get you the sizes if you still need them |
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), maybe see if an Escort TD or similar is a better match for what you're doing 
no doubt why the RWD engines idle smoother than the FWD, my escort used to shake a fair bit compaired to me P100 but then the RWD mounts are better IMHO
