qwerty
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Jul 19, 2006 10:01:04 GMT
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So then whats the legalitites concerning both? How much do "wobbly bolts" wobble? 2mm? Or should they be only used for 1mm? Or should I steer weeellllll clear?
Banded Steels? Legal? Where from? How do they do it? and are they safe?
Failing that does anybody know where to get 13x7" steels in 4x110 pcd?
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Jul 19, 2006 10:02:08 GMT
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So then whats the legalitites concerning both? How much do "wobbly bolts" wobble? 2mm? Or should they be only used for 1mm? Or should I steer weeellllll clear? Steeer WELLLLL Clear of wobbly bolts...
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Jul 19, 2006 10:04:50 GMT
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wobbly bolts? Surely this destroys their initial purpose?
weller for wheels?
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Jul 19, 2006 10:05:35 GMT
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banded steels are technically illegal, there were some right horrorshow ones done in the 60s and 70s hense them being banned.
Mazda is about the only 110mm PCD I can think of?
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bstardchild
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Jul 19, 2006 10:06:48 GMT
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So then whats the legalitites concerning both? How much do "wobbly bolts" wobble? 2mm? Or should they be only used for 1mm? Or should I steer weeellllll clear? I'd steer clear - may be just me but from my perspective in order to wobble they have to be reduced material in the wobble area..... Wheels, brakes, tyres, suspension - saftey critical items and I kinda want to make sure they aren't compromised Banded Steels? Legal? Where from? How do they do it? and are they safe? Not a clue - but I assume if it's done properly (ie as good or better than the origianal construction method) it would be OK but I don't know enough about it
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qwerty
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Jul 19, 2006 10:10:09 GMT
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Yeah I was already VERY hesitant about wobbly bolts. They will definetly not be used now. Small Daihatsu's use 4x110 as well . I've been on Wellers site and they don't seem to 4x110 or is it a case of ringing them and asking them to drill me a set in that PCD?
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phatphord
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Jul 19, 2006 10:23:09 GMT
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what happened to the RA designs place that did steels in any offset etc you wanted?
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1994 Ford Scorpio Lowrider um...and some bikes...
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Jul 19, 2006 10:27:23 GMT
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I thought you could run banded steels but they had to have been done by a registered place... like Bob Knight (of VW fame) and some Triumph place the name of which escapes me.
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qwerty
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Jul 19, 2006 10:31:29 GMT
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Tried the RA design website but am just getting "Service Unavailable" . Would be interested in any contacts for the banding of steels!
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racer86
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Jul 19, 2006 10:32:48 GMT
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Dumb question - what are wobbly bolts?
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bstardchild
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Jul 19, 2006 10:36:09 GMT
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Dumb question - what are wobbly bolts? Wheel bolts which have a thined section where the washer/cone sits. The washer/cone is then free to seat excentrically to the hub thread allowing slight PCD differences to be "got round" Nasty things
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fugazi
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Jul 19, 2006 11:41:10 GMT
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Tried the RA design website but am just getting "Service Unavailable" . Would be interested in any contacts for the banding of steels! They've gone bust apparently, Weller is looking for a new distributor.
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qwerty
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Jul 19, 2006 11:47:06 GMT
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Oh well.... the hunt continues
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Jul 19, 2006 11:49:26 GMT
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AFAIK banded wheels are illegal who ever did it. It used to be on the modified vehicle insurance proposal form.
What is a good one (if done ringht) is re-rimming, ie take your stock 5x13 and shove a 7" rim on it to make a 7x13
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 19, 2006 11:50:18 GMT
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Banded wheels are OK, and I don't even think there's a registration system to decide who can and can't do it. However if you sit and think about what a wheel has to go through, and the stresses involved, and what happens if one day it gave up doing it...... i'd be very, very careful about who i got to band them.
Technically speaking though, if done right, there's no reason to think they're dangerous as they'll be at least as strong as the original wheel. Some places instead of banding will cut the centre out and put it in a new, wider rim - this is identical to the way a steel wheel is made in the first place.
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qwerty
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Jul 19, 2006 11:54:52 GMT
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I wouldn't just go to any Tom Dick or Harry I'd go to somebody reputable.
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Jul 19, 2006 11:57:25 GMT
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Bob doesn't band wheels, he re-rims them, but he is allowed to band them (if I remember rightly)
Bands can be safe.... but they can be awful too. I'd opt for re-rims.
Wobbly bolts, JUST SAY NO
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Jul 19, 2006 12:00:45 GMT
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"NO" "just say no" ;D get the right wheels and bolts to suit the application.
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slater
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Jul 19, 2006 12:03:27 GMT
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Wobbly bolts are fine and most can adjust for a 2mm pcd differance, cirtanly alot better than trying to stetch your studs!!! Just beacuse they are a bit thinner around the 1st section of thread dosent mean they are going to be segnificantly weaker, Only trouble i can see is if you tryed to put them on studs that were too short meaning that all the force was going through the thinner section. If they are in bolt form as oppose to nuts and studs then there is absolutly no reason for them to be worse that i can see. The other arguement that they only locate in 2 dimentions rather then 3 like normal tapered nuts is a also very stupid as sleeve type nuts are exactly the same and you don't see people having trouble with those, same goes for slotted bolt holes tbh.
I relly don't get why people are so paranoid about wheels and wheels bolts. The same physics applys to them as it does to any other part on the car!
Banded steels are also perfectly safe when done properly but they are illegal. I belive re-rimming isnt tho (Get a wide weller, cut out the center and fit the center from some good looking wheels)
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Bioshock
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Jul 19, 2006 12:07:39 GMT
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Back in my Grass track racer days,we used Weller wheel kits.That is to say they would be supplied in two haves,you could have any width at all,this was obviously for off road use, so it still doesn't get 'round the welding up issue,but I remember an orange MkI Escort in retro rides that had welded up Mondeo steels?
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