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Jun 28, 2006 13:57:17 GMT
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nope, a full on rep, no improvements (except safety glass) but no 30+ year old parts to fail. Cheaper and as good as the real thing. I reckon that your veiw is clouded and the path of truth and light leads you towards the way of the replica...
...That is not to say that the need to own a real one is not strong, the force is there, but there is definately a place in my garage for a good rep.
BB
PS I was going to bang on about how original the "real" race cars are, most have been re shelled, new chassis, rebuilt/uprated engines, hubs, brakes, rims, glass, fuel cells, roll over bar, safety harnesses, etc, tce,cte, but that is for a different day.
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:09:08 GMT
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Yeah I think that’s somewhat short sighted to dismiss off hand anything which is a ‘replica’. Cars with interesting histories are always going to be sought by collectors etc pushing their values up through the roof. Even if they are not particularly amazing cars - check those horrific Peel P50’s which sold for about 12k on the bay not long ago.
Why should someone not build a replica? Often the work that people put into creating an authentic replica results in a car which is a work of art in its own right. ‘if you can’t afford the real thing you’ve no business having a replica’, that’s a tad bigoted IMO. I might diss a pinto-powered fibreglass cobra replica with sierra indicator stalks but even then you’ve gotta respect the lad’s enthusiasm that has made him decide to build it.
Badger bill has listed some class machinery there, you can’t just dismiss it all ‘because it is a copy of something else’.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jun 28, 2006 14:10:02 GMT
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PS I was going to bang on about how original the "real" race cars are, most have been re shelled, new chassis, rebuilt/uprated engines, hubs, brakes, rims, glass, fuel cells, roll over bar, safety harnesses, etc, tce,cte, but that is for a different day. Which is why Nigel sold his AC Cobra, because his was fully original (with modern safety devices) but he was having to compete against cars that were effectively replicas that had original Vin plates on them!!! Not a level playing field and hardly keeping the soul of the originals alive. Never have and never will like replicas.. the day I can afford and original D-Type or GT40 to race, is the day I buy an original D-type or GT40 and race it. In the mean time, I'll stick to Datsun's ... and I won't reshell them to look like a Ferrari ... how totally tacky....
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Jun 28, 2006 14:15:58 GMT
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In the mean time, I'll stick to Datsun's ... and I won't reshell them to look like a Ferrari ... how totally tacky.... Yeah that is well tacky but theres just no way you can lump that in with something like Chris rea's Ferrari sharknose replica.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jun 28, 2006 14:17:18 GMT
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Why should someone not build a replica? Often the work that people put into creating an authentic replica results in a car which is a work of art in its own right. ‘if you can’t afford the real thing you’ve no business having a replica’, that’s a tad bigoted IMO. No,.. it's snobbery. I might diss a pinto-powered fibreglass cobra replica with sierra indicator stalks but even then you’ve gotta respect the lad’s enthusiasm that has made him decide to build it. I respect the enthusiasm, but not the finished results. Like Max Power cars ... Badger bill has listed some class machinery there, you can’t just dismiss it all ‘because it is a copy of something else’. yes I can,.. the same way I dismiss the Tescos 2 stripe tracksuit wearing girls in town with their fake louis vuitton bags and fake Channel sun glasses.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:19:14 GMT
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Yeah that is well tacky but theres just no way you can lump that in with something like Chris rea's Ferrari sharknose replica. But thats not a factory produced replica... Because I'm rather trite and contrary I see a difference between kit built replicas and hand built replicas. Besides the Sharknose is a VERY special case
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Jun 28, 2006 14:19:29 GMT
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<gobsmacked>
I wrote several paragraphs about reps being the same as the originals, how you can't race them, as you already know that you'd loose against other non-original originals, and why deprive yourself of the chance to experience what you want...
...but it sounds like you are closed off to this rational line of thought, rather like I am to the whole banger thing. I am surprised though, as you seem to like most other cars.
BB
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:21:49 GMT
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I wrote several paragraphs about reps being the same as the originals, how you can't race them, as you already know that you'd loose against other non-original originals, and why deprive yourself of the chance to experience what you want... Thats my point though,.. you aren't experiencing what you want,.. you are experiencing a facsimile of what you want...
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Jun 28, 2006 14:22:50 GMT
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Meeeeoooowwww!!!! Oh well, not worth discussing it then I suspect. I'll make sure never to confuse bigotry and snobbery in the future anyway.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jun 28, 2006 14:23:23 GMT
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do you like non replica kit cars then?
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:24:42 GMT
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do you like non replica kit cars then? Yes .... As I said I'm rather trite and contrary ... I'm also aware that I'm somewhat irrational.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:29:37 GMT
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lets make sure we don't get too hot under the collar guys. it comes down to what people want. Personally, I don't like Banham Spyders because I think they are a waste of a good Skoda, especially when they are so mis-proportioned. However, I think you have to remember that its upto the owner of the vehicle to decide whats in it and how it looks*. * I am not acusing anyone here of not doing that btw. It is a good discussion though
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Jun 28, 2006 14:35:26 GMT
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How can anyone not go weak at the knees for a fine replica such as this: It maybe beetle-powered but you could easily put a 2.0 engine in it out of something, probably, to give it the performance it deserves.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jun 28, 2006 14:43:01 GMT
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yeah, I mean who would want one of these race reps (although it does race, but how does that work?) ??
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:44:47 GMT
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hotwire, considering you are someone who has picked many people up on being blinkered i think you are being somewhat short sighted here yourself.
thats not a dig at you, just an observation, naturally you're entitled to your opinion.
Personally i think building a replica represents a bigger challenge than buying the real McCoy. Ive more respect for someone whos put time into building a rep and getting it good, than someone who simply spent cash to buy a car. One day i might build a 356, and it would be from a kit. I think it gives a greater opportunity to build something a little more individual.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:46:32 GMT
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A Shelby cobra CSX8000 and an AC crs, which is which and which is a replica?
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Jun 28, 2006 14:47:04 GMT
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yeah, I mean who would want one of these race reps (although it does race, but how does that work?) Race reps based on a genuine car are okay.. I told you I was irrational
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Last Edit: Jun 28, 2006 14:48:15 GMT by HoTWire
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Jun 28, 2006 14:53:12 GMT
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I'm all in favour of decent quality reps. Then you can build into them anything you would like to change from the real deal. Lets face it, if you turn up anywhere in a Cobra these days most people will asume its a rep anyway!
I really love the Banks/Lotus Europa's. They are heavily modified and so are now reps but are so much better than the real thing.
A genuine GT40 or a good rep? I'll take the rep please.
That's my tuppence worth anyway.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:53:45 GMT
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Personally i think building a replica represents a bigger challenge than buying the real McCoy. Ive more respect for someone whos put time into building a rep and getting it good, than someone who simply spent cash to buy a car. One day i might build a 356, and it would be from a kit. I think it gives a greater opportunity to build something a little more individual. Again,.. it's not a question of effort. Full respect to the people that build them.. But I maintain a 356 replica is still a Beetle that looks like a Porsche ... it is not a Porsche and never will be ... If someone is happy spending all that time and effort to get something that isn't the real thing that is great for them, but for me it seems ultimately hollow... It is also not a question of accuracy, it might look exactly like the real thing, someone may have gone the whole hog and specced it up as close as possible to the original thing... however... it is still not the real thing, it is a copy, a fake, a fraud, a replica.
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Jun 28, 2006 14:56:17 GMT
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I'm all in favour of decent quality reps. Then you can build into them anything you would like to change from the real deal. Lets face it, if you turn up anywhere in a Cobra these days most people will asume its a rep anyway! This is my other point,.. Replicas devalue the original, not in financial terms, but in cultural terms. In many ways a GT40 or Cobra replica cheapens the originals ones out there.
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