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Sept 26, 2012 14:54:00 GMT
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darrenh Suppose it's a good thing for fans of big cars but probably attracts banger racers too. Was thinking actually....do banger racers really want automatics? Can't imagine they'd be any good on the track..... Anyway. Here a a few parting shots. My favourite bit of the car was the interior and I would've never really been happy with it until that was all re-instated. I dug out all the trim pieces and the carpets today to stick in the boot for the next owner to hopefully refit one day a bootfull of jobs to do: spare distributor for baseplate with good thread; front wing trim and aerial to be re-fitted when wing fully repaired; bulkhead trim and centre console waiting on footwell leak being repaired
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Sept 26, 2012 10:00:36 GMT
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Hi again richw82. That's interesting about the brake discs. I hadn't thought of that.
As for the mounts I'd be happy to force them on but all that was happening before is the threads on the bolts were getting damage due to the tension & levering and I just couldn't get the last couple through.
I'll try again with the cage empty as it'll be even trickier with everything in place as there is all the extra weight to deal with and it's hard to even see the inner bolt holes.
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Sept 26, 2012 2:20:28 GMT
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Well. I've given up on the wooden dummy chassis legs (for time being) as it wasn't proving to be too accurate since the drill couldn't be guaranteed to go through at right angles and a few degrees off could be quite exaggerated over a thick part so I decided to do some measurements. I measured the distance between the holes in the chassis rails outer and inner and top and bottom so that was 8 measurements (same front and back so only 4 shown below - passenger chassis rail top: 262mm
- ........................bottom: 321mm
- ...driver's chassis rail top: 262mm
- ........................bottom: 321mm
I then measured the same datum points with the new mounts bolted to the cage so that was another 8 measurements - passenger side top outer: 260mm
- ......................top inner: 265mm
- ................bottom outer: 319mm
- .................bottom inner: 326mm
- .....driver's side top outer: 262mm
- ......................top inner: 268mm
- ................bottom outer: 320mm
- .................bottom inner: 328mm
Lastly I measured the same points with a pair of old mounts bolted to the cage. This was the set up least likely to be accurate as the metal plates have came away from the rubbers but I tried to put them on as accurately as possible. That's another 4 measurements. Would be 8 if I tried all four old mounts but a pattern was emerging so I didn't bother - driver's side top outer: 263mm
- ...........side top inner: 271mm
- ...........bottom outer: 321mm
- ............bottom inner: 330mm
So I've sorta established that the holes on the chassis legs do not vary from front face (ie outer) to back face (ie inner) but they do on the mounts old and new. If you look at all the lime green which are the outer ones they are all within 1mm or so of each other but the teal measurements which are inner ones are 5, 6, 7 or even 8mm out which equates to a few mm out at each bolt hole which matches the pictures I've been taking. I was kinda hoping the originals wouldn't show this anomaly so I could blame the new ones. Then again if the new ones are the same as the old ones I should be able to force them to fit. Now I'm really confused, new mounts bolted to cageold mounts bolted on too but rubbers have came away from metal partsI decided therefore to leave that issue for another day and started sanding filler on the wheelarch repairs that I put on a while back. They've had two applications of filler but the second didn't harden properly despite using the recommended pea to golfball ratio. I scraped the soft stuff off with a chisel. Put a black guide coat on and found a few hollows so have put some more filler on with extra hardener and the filler has came out rather bright! Hope this isn't a problem. Incidentally the hardener I used is Plastic padding brand and the filler is Isopon P38. Does this matter? Reason I did it is that I have lots of tubs of filler lying around and various tubes of hardener that don't always match. passenger sidedriver's sidedoes mixing brands matter?
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Sept 26, 2012 0:34:24 GMT
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Well, that's it sold £150 I wasn't expecting much as a mint condition Opel Senator A went for just over £500 the other day. Don't understand why these cars fetch so little money. Even more of a concern is that the buyer appears to be into banger racing
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Sept 25, 2012 9:56:54 GMT
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Thanks jonwWell, if the Royale does go I can start a new thread on my Mk2 Polo or possibly even my Hillman Imp pick-up. Still wish I could've brought the Royale up to scratch tho
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Sept 25, 2012 2:23:22 GMT
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Danaidh That's a pity. I'm sure there are many on here who get the urge to save a car that that seems perfect for them but we've all got our limits with time/space/money Sorry I haven't responded individually to all the comments but I was busy unofficially clearing some space somewhere for the Royale should it still be here when the tax disc runs out. On the subject of officialdom....I got stopped by the Police about half 12 on Friday night and got a £60 ticket for no MoT Can't complain really but that's 2 in a month and it's no point trying to explain that I haven't MoT'd it cos I was trying to find an exhaust. There are no concessions Having said that...is there not a new 'no MoT' thing coming out for classics?
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Sept 20, 2012 9:56:35 GMT
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Sept 20, 2012 1:56:12 GMT
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Lol. I hope you're joking about the chassis rail as I kinda want this to have to be the end. I could patch it up quite easily but it really needs done properly. Are there no rich Royale restorers out there who can do the car justice? There is another one, a bit worse than mine, on Ebay just now for £200 and I get the feeling it won't find a good home so that could be 2 more gone this year. Knowing myself I'll probably squeeze it into the barn and cycle up and down over the winter and into next summer getting nowhere fast. In a way I'm relieved because if I did keep it and it had no tax/MoT I could actually get to the bottom of that bulkhead leak and get some paint on the car. See. I'm having second thoughts already
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Sept 20, 2012 1:43:54 GMT
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Floorpan from a few posts back is looking great ;D Gonna have to sit down and read this whole thread when I have time. As above.... keep up the good work
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Sept 19, 2012 2:01:41 GMT
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Well. I finally got the backbox (courtesy of bstardchild, AB car pix and Stuart-c) last night and, although not planning to fit it as the old one is ok now, decided to have a look at it today and offer it up to the old one. All was looking good apart from one of the labels seemed to say Monza on it and then I noticed to 2 inlet pipes point up the way instead of down. It's for the Coupe models Peeling off another sticker revealed it said Monza/Royale Coupe. Bit of a shame after all the trouble the guys went to but at least it's more likely to be used again by someone else as there are more Monzas and Royale Coupes around than Royale Saloons. Strange though that it has the same part no, inked onto it as my back box has. 'Pony Express' backbox looking good familiar part no.sand againbackbox on my car has same no. felt tipped onto itfront pipes point up instead of downsticker revealed confirms for Monza/Royale CoupeAnyway that's a part at the end of the car but today I came across what is more than likely the end of the car. Under my ownership anyway. Found some major rot on the front passenger side chassis rail where the anti roll bar bolts on. The rust wasn't as much of a surprise as the wadding inside. Can only think a mouse must've lived there at some time. poking about at rust on chassis rail uncovered soft material insidefrom belowI pulled all this out and think there may still be more in therepossibly the end of the lineI've not decided 100% what to do yet. I know I could fix it fairly easily but it would have to come off the road and it's unlikely that it would be done before the road tax runs out at end of the month. I'd need to make room for it in the barn and there are 3 cars and 5 motorbikes in there already so I really should just get rid of it. It's a real shame but you have to be realistic sometimes
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Sept 19, 2012 1:42:13 GMT
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Apologies before I start but I can almost hear the groans. Yes, more IRS-mount ramblings I've spent so much time fiddling with these things and bolting them together (5 tonight - nearly forming a ring) that I'm starting to think I'm to blame and there is no problem with the brackets but I began knocking up a crude dummy chassis leg in wood and despite only getting it half finished it seems to show there is a problem. One thing I did notice the other night, and examined further today, was the pointed end of the brackets: As I was jacking the IRS up and down a few nights ago I noticed the forward edge of the rear mount looked like a little arrow guiding you into position. The rear one is not as pronounced but is still like a point and I found today that if you draw a line from each point through the middle of the bolt hole they form a right angle. There must be a reason for this and it could help me in making new holes, I'm sure. wooden copy on inner chassis leg area. all bolts in place but bottom front one in from other sidefitted to first bracket in-situ on IRSholes out of line at other bracket re-enforces that error present on bracketsI'll be back on it on Thursday as having a night off tomorrow to watch Celtic v Benfica
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Sept 17, 2012 1:11:57 GMT
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Thanks doctorblack. I spent most of the week on the IRS mounts issue and am not really any further forward despite taking my time and working sensibly. I got the mount with one set of new blank ears and trial fitted it, front and rear on the passenger side, to mark it up for drilling but the punch marks I made were all over the place. Miles out (I was putting the punch through the bolt holes in the chassis leg) Its reminding me of an old Candid Camera sketch where a joiner was trying to put shelves up and they kept moving the outer supports. Except this is for real! Anyway. As this wasn't working I went back to measuring. Comparing old v newer v NOS and couldn't really come up with anything definite but eventually drilled two holes with a 7/16" drill bit in what I thought were the right locations and they were miles out. Really weird. I think a combination of slight play in my drill and not starting with a small drill then working out could be factors but I was amazed at how poor it turned out. Wasn't really worth posting pics of it. Have had the weekend off but will return to it tomorrow. I was toying with the idea of making up dummy chassis legs out of wood to mock up the situation and try again but that's perhaps a bridge too far. I've learned that the solution always comes in the end so just need to keep at it.
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Sept 17, 2012 0:55:52 GMT
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Keep it up. Must've been great seeing the doors go back on and despite all the work you've done there is still a lot of the original van left.
I haven't had any experience of the dipping but I reckon the last guy is right. You don't want to farm it out to someone else after all this work
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Sept 13, 2012 1:37:00 GMT
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The back seats were only individual on the VDP but the seats on yours just look very like ones I've seen on the coupes. Having said that I've never seen a good pic of the rear seat of a Daimler saloon. It was the sort of curved bit a the armrest which made me think they were coupe seats.
Had a look at the parts lists and they do differ from saloon to coupe but the only obvious difference seems to be that the pleats on the cushion on the coupe go all the way to the sides. The saloon doesn't.
There is actually a NOS inner wing on Ebay just now for £39.....
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Sept 12, 2012 2:49:30 GMT
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Jesus. At first I thought this was my car's twin retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=118424 but it looks like you have a coupe judging by those back seats. I'm a bit colour blind but to me this looks like Caramel body colour which is normally VDP but there were no official VDP coupes PS. I wouldn't worry too much about any body rot pricewise as the sills, jack points, floors etc are relatively cheap but if someone else is doing the work for you could be pricey on labour. As with any car. Good thing about these is that panels are available (before anyone says it, yes, I know the coupes differ from saloons)
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Sept 11, 2012 1:52:06 GMT
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Hi 10mpg. I'm a bit of a novice with this type of gear despite having had the kit for years. Have just got too used to the MIG I guess. I have always tried to set the guages, per the book from BOC, which usually advises equal pressures for each gas with a little adjustment for a neutral or a carbonising flame etc. The Oxygen cylinder seems to be much more pressurised yet the Acetylene, from memory, seems to run out quicker. Anyway. On Saturday I set it all up to the pressures for welding 1mm steel. Quite low on the guages anyway assuming it would take a while to do the job and maybe need the heat increased gradually but it was off in seconds and has melted the original fitting so looks like I will be using some of my new ones after all. The butane/propane blowtorch I used didn't make any impression on it so there's obviously a big difference with this kit. Now I'm thinking it may be a bit severe for soldering the new bits on. Suppose it's just a case of trying different settings or holding the cone further from the pieces. One of the new fittings I have is of a similar design but a lot fatter. Would prefer one more like the original but might just use it. We'll see in due course old fuel pipe held in vice at good angle to get torch around original solder fitting which came of rather quickly original part damaged by heat. new part is of similar design but solder end a lot fatterbit of a mess when viewed from top
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Sept 11, 2012 1:33:52 GMT
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Well. I started on the somewhat unchartered territory of making my new brackets more like my originals. It could be a long process. Cutting shapes out of 3mm plate with a hacksaw blade is quite time consuming. The welding took a few seconds but I spent about 4 hours on this tonight and didn't get a full mount finished. I reckon it will take 5 hours for each one and there is still the positioning and drilling of the new holes to do. Also slightly worried that the metal might harden up a bit and be harder to drill than normal plus the heat could damage the rubber to metal bond. We shall see..... new blank ears cut out of 3mm steel plate and welded to bracketswelds done on both sides for max penetration then roughly ground down There has also been a little development on the fuel pipe saga retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=techni&thread=132468&page=2
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Sept 11, 2012 1:12:35 GMT
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Nice. Love the interior
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Sept 10, 2012 1:14:14 GMT
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Ok. Its been a week since my last post but I've made some progress in a couple of small areas which strangely I'm fine with. This is the first time I remember that I've felt relaxed about the project. I feel like I've been racing against time and now I can finish it off at a jog Apologies to anyone who is fed up seeing IRS mounts but there are some more picture and no solution but I still feel I've made progress: In the last post I said I'd need to buy 4 more which I could do for about £10 each plus P&P but I saw a single one for sale on Ebay with the later part no. CAC3067 and I thought I'd get that and see if it fitted or not instead of buying 4 more wrong uns. It turns out to be exactly like the 4 newer ones I have and doesn't match my originals. Checking the parts lists I see that the chassis leg part no's ( 12135 & 12136) didn't change from series 1 to series 3. This leaves the cage as the only other component in the equation that could necessitate different positions for the holes on the brackets old and new. The parts list shows the cage part no changed from C.24994 to C.41996 then to CAC2177. I assumed this would've been due to minor differences in the captive nuts for the exhaust hangers or something but it is possible that the holes for the IRS mounts were in slightly different places needed different mounts. Seems a bit unlikely but at the moment it's the only logical conclusion. None of the listings I've seen make mention of old & new mounts either. I doubt 4 old type mounts C.29344 will surface any time soon so it looks like I'm going to have to adapt the ones I have. I'm not keen on just making the holes larger and don't want to drill the cage so it may need to be 16 new ears welded on then drilled to suit The brackets seem to be the same thickness as some 3mm plate I bought recently so it seems the best course of action. solitary mount bought on Ebay for £5 clearly shows late part no. made some time in the 80sbolted up against an original we see a repeat of the issue encountered with the other 4 new ones I haveOn a more positive note but also containing old/new part no. anomalies I got 2 new rear brake discs. There are so many of these for sale at varying prices it's hard to know which ones to buy and I'd noticed that some have 2 large holes in them and some don't. Per the parts lists the early ones C.26779 had the holes and later ones C.46113 didn't. The rusty originals on my car are the later type. Anyway I saw a new pair listed for £20 on Ebay and took the plunge despite them being being the type with the two weird holes in them. On receipt I found they have the exact same casting numbers on them so I'm pretty sure they are interchangeable. original discs have no holes other than bolt holescasting no. on old discs C20326/Ccheap new shop-soiled discs are older typebut have same number cast into themThe next issue was with the lower rear quarter panels. A few posts back I was messing about with lots of new screws etc fitting the passenger side one and was a bit surprised to find the drivers one didn't want to go on at all. This week I spent a bit of time tweaking it and got out the original to check for differences etc. Its fitting pretty well now but the original perhaps fits slightly better and I'm toying with the idea of cutting the new one to use the front flange to repair the original. A job I said I'd do once the car was on the road - not now. More importantly this led to a repair I'd been putting of for ages due to huge 'issues' and, typically, it was done in about an hour and it's pretty much spot on. The issue was that when I repaired the edge of the wing then offered the bumper bar bracket up to weld back on to it there seemed to be a huge gap. With a little clamping and hammering this disappeared along with some other fit problems. Anyway it is done now and I left the barn about midnight on Friday well chuffed newer panel has slots at 2 rear fixing points where original has holes. newer one also has additional wiring(?) hole up top original panel (bottom) a bit flatter here and seems more generously proportionedrear wing bracket separated from wing some time ago for blasting/repair/priming being offered up to check alignmentseems to have grown whilst it was off carsome of the spot weld holes now slightly out of alignment toobut pressed on and plug-welded up nicelythen a little encouragement with a clampand finally back section welded then ground down at top face for tank cover-panel to sit flush on
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