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Apparently some brainiac in Brussels has decided to make some changes to ensure everyone has to drive a bog standard eurobox Who are these people and where do they live? The question on the fingertips on forums here and there is how are they going to enforce/check for chipped ecus.. maybe on modern cars you can plug in and check but earlier cars don't have a suitable socket. (OBD 1 and 2) (don't quote me on that) any thoughts....? wrecks2riches.co.uk/2010/10/2011-changes-to-mot/
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2010 8:20:59 GMT by suterman
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I heard about the ECU being plugged into MOT computer a few years ago. It's to do with road tax being based on emissions. In theory someone can take a low road tax car and "modify" so emissions increase so it belongs in another tax bracket yet still pass an MOT under current rules. There was some mention about even if a vehicle is reverted back to standard (for MOT) then the ECU will still tell computer of previous readings.
As I say it's all about road tax bands / rates being enforced.
Paul H
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Surely this would only apply to Post September 2001 Vehicles that are taxed on emisions as pre Sept 2001 it's just engine size? Also, what if the car is modified and running with lower emisions? The theory would be you would pay less tax?
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2010 8:39:42 GMT by joem83
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Chips?
The only thing i plug my chips into the the ketchup before i scoff em!
I'm dying for the day the YTS kid asks where my ECU is!
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Dez
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as soon as someones come up with the idea, someone else will come up with a way round it.
as has been said, it can only really apply to the post 2001 emissions based tax system, those with OBD standard ECUs. so you can actually plug em in.
surely all you need is a spare stock ecu to sidestep the problem though?
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I posted this up the other day in one thread. Those 4 items are just the tip of the iceberg. The whol eprocedure is being reviewed to give an across EU standard Safety inspection that will come into effect in 2012. The TUV is being held up as the 'Gold Standard'in negotiations and that is a safety and COMPLIANCE test. It's not like ACE hasn't been banging on about this for ages.
However, to the best of our knowledge , none of this is finalised yet and we will hopefully see a Consultation document next year.
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2010 10:12:21 GMT by kapri
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as soon as someones come up with the idea, someone else will come up with a way round it. as has been said, it can only really apply to the post 2001 emissions based tax system, those with OBD standard ECUs. so you can actually plug em in. surely all you need is a spare stock ecu to sidestep the problem though? Not forgetting of course VOSA roadside Emission testing units . www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Roadside%20Emissions%20Check%20Leaflet%20.pdf
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2010 10:15:15 GMT by kapri
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Dez
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one question though kev, I assume as with everything else MOT related thats been brought in, itll be non-retrospective in terms of applying the actual legislation, so 95% of this forums members will have no problems? as pre-75 will be visual only, and pre cat will be 3.5% hydrocarbons test only, in which case if your car is in remotely healthy condition, youd have absolutely no problem passing, wether tested at the mot or the roadside?
for example i took a fiesta in for test the other week, it only needed the 3.5% test as it was pre-cat, and despite being stood for over 6 months, god knows when it was last serviced, and having a slightly blowing exhaust, it only put out 0.75%.
I see a load of hand wringing and shouting about the law changing, but its not, its just the tighter application of laws that already exist?
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2010 10:39:50 GMT by Dez
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I can't see the emissions rates changing Dez but some of the new proposals ( I'm told there are over 50 proposed ) may be retrospective as in older cars also have to comply ie like when they introduced the chipped windscreen part of the test. I wa stalking with afriend in Germany about his tests and he said they are tighter in that they can fail stuff on not actually being worn out but near end of life.
Bear in mind the average age or vehicles before scrappage in this country is far higher than across most of the rest of the EU ie highest rates of scrappage in this country are seen at 14-17 years compared to 10-12 elsewhere.
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stealthstylz
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I think failing stuff that is nearly worn out is a great idea. I know they put it on the advisory sheet, but how many non car people actually fix that stuff in the year of MOT rather than having it done when it fails the next one.
Matt
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Another thing proposed is linking a camera, monitoring the actual test, to the VOSA computer line so they can monitor MOT testers at any time - it's not just the "customer" who is affected. That means no more friendly tester taking customer under ramp / into pit to show them a fail problem so they know what needs sorting for retest !
Paul H
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The more rules the bloodless little rats in the offices make, the louder i play
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as soon as someones come up with the idea, someone else will come up with a way round it. as has been said, it can only really apply to the post 2001 emissions based tax system, those with OBD standard ECUs. so you can actually plug em in. surely all you need is a spare stock ecu to sidestep the problem though? Not forgetting of course VOSA roadside Emission testing units . www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Roadside%20Emissions%20Check%20Leaflet%20.pdfI got stopped by roadside emissions in my 2.0 MKII Granada. Luckilly within limits but it showed up a slight missfire at certain revs which chap said was probably plug and get sorted asap. Paul H
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I can't see the emissions rates changing Dez but some of the new proposals ( I'm told there are over 50 proposed ) may be retrospective as in older cars also have to comply ie like when they introduced the chipped windscreen part of the test. I wouldn't really consider that issue to be retrospective, as it is just tightening up on acceptable levels of damage / degradation, rather than requiring modification from the original spec. However I take your point though. However, is there anything relating to the use of older (in particular, pre-cat) vehicles, as is seen in some German cities? Here in London, there is already more than enough infrastructure in place that could enforce restrictions on the use of older vehicles....
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Carrige office taxi tests are stricter than standard MOT's and can fail an item they think wont pass the next test, tyres are the usual thing they pick up on, but once you get used to it its no problem to get cabs through. It sounds worse than it is really despite a lot of them (ours included) being extra strict on cars older than 4 years, they would prefer them to be newer vehicles on the rank but there are still plenty of cabbies running 300,000 mile 10 year old cars as cabs round here without much difficulty. If the MOT does get stricter we'll just have to look after our cars better which is a good thing i think, restricted use for classics and what have you is a different matter.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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stealthstylz
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But surely if they limit the use of classic cars you just make a few small changes to the chassis/body shell, bung it through an IVA and it's then not a classic car.
Matt
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That wont please a lot of classic owners, Q plates and having to pay road tax!! whatever next!
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Seth
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I'd rather pay road tax (as I did before the exemption came in) and be able to drive my car.
Stealth, that works only if your classic has a hope in hell of passing a BIVA which most don't without a lot of work even if they can get new glass.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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stealthstylz
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Yeah but imagine the cheap hot rod base material that would be kicking about lol.
Matt
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