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Hello everyone ,I'm new to the forum and am after a bit of help.I am going to view a 1936 Riley Falcon and would like a bit of info on them i.e value, parts availability etc.The car needs a bit of tlc I have been told its solid.
Thanks Kevin.
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Welcome Kevin. Have you looked for Riley owners forums, or maybe even specific falcon forums. GOOGLE for ownership reports etc, and see what comes up. Maybe a photo or two posted here will help too. OK, so I am bored.... While the Kestrel body was the sporty model, and the Monaco was the cheaper model, the Falcon was aimed at the more traditional market. The body was more upright than that of the Kestrel, although much lower than many of it's rivals. This was done by dropping the floorpan either side of the transmission tunnel. In order to give reasonable access to the low seating position, some early models had special mechanisms which lifted part of the roof over the front doors to give better clearance. ENGINE TRANSMISSION 9hp 4 cyl ohv Bore 60.3 stroke 95.2 compression 5.2:1 Capacity 1087 cc 42bhp at 3600rpm Carburation Zenith 4-speed gearbox. Top gear ratio 5.2:1 SUSPENSION Semi-elliptic STEERING DIMENSIONS Wheelbase 9' (aprx 2730mm) Track 3'11" (aprx 1180mm) Length / width: various bodies Tyres 27x4.40 Weight 17cwt BRAKES Look here.... www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&ved=0CBUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fmanxnorton%2F4248538883%2F&rct=j&q=1936+Riley+Falcon&ei=iwCUS6mzHsKRjAfjyYi0AQ&usg=AFQjCNEYmuTspbN0meXmQeiFhmiSkO_MHA
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Thats more retro than a retro thing! its vintage Best man to speak to is PaulH on here, he's a member of the VSCC and theres a Riley in his family thats slowly being restored. I'll point him in the direction of this thread
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Rich G
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Like this? Not got a clue about value - maybe worth posting the question on Pistonheads "Classic Cars & Yesterday's Heroes" section. What plans have you got for it?
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chap i know had a kestral lovly thing it was but it had a bodged in the past chassis with dexion welded in (no I'm not kidding) and the body was tatty with the door pillers dropping due to the wood rotting.. it drove nice though.. those little twin cam engines are like sowing machines very nice and smooth..
he sold his tatty but with a rebuilt engine with some mot for around 10 grand IIRC that was about 4 years ago.. maybe a bit more now??
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Someone called? ;D Falcons came in three flavours - the 1100cc 9 or 1500cc 12/4 four cyl or the 1700cc 15/6 six cylinder. A '36 should be either a 12/4 or a 15/6 (most likely to be a 12/4). Value is dependant on condition and which version. The 6 is the most valuable, due to the running gear being in demand for VSCC racers (the ERA engine was derived of the Riley 6 cyl). Best to have a look at the ads in the back of The Automobile magazine to get an idea of values. IMHO, the earlier Falcon 9 is very underpowered, but the two larger engined ones are good performers, and if fitted with the pre-selector gearbox, very pleasant to drive. There are no Riley forums to speak of - the best place is probably the VSCC forum, but sadly that's club members only. Parts wise, Ian Gladstone at Blue Diamond Services is one of the best people to talk to. There is also the Riley Register, which is the most relevant Riley club, and has its own spares scheme. AFAIK, most stuff is available or can be made. Falcons are steel chassis with ash body frame with either ally or steel panelling (wings are steel) & ally floorpan, and the ash frames can very rot badly, and this is not helped by body flex from the chassis not being terribly stiff, which can also cause stress cracks in the body panelling especially around the door apertures. However the combination of chassis whip with the live axles contributes to surprisingly good road holding for a '30s saloon car. Hope this helps
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Last Edit: Mar 7, 2010 21:52:30 GMT by Paul H
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Good choice Vintage Rileys are lovely cars.. If it's a 9 engine check the back of the block for frost damage (you'll feel a noticeable bulge in the block) 12/4's are a good engine though look for cracked rocker covers (around the bolt holes and strengthening ribs) 6's are lovely and one of the best sounding engines ever made but have their flaws as well... Check everything, and i do mean everything as you can very easily run up a huge bill just for parts and the majority of rileys esp lesser models like falcons are just coming out of decades in the doldrums price wise so many haven't been maintained as they should.. we need more info on spec, as i don't fancy writing a general vintage rileys buyers guide on here, what gearbox (preselector or silent third)? what engine? caburation? distributer or magneto? what wheels? cable or rod brakes? ect ect.. Pay particular attention to the bodywork and it's ash frame, if you don't know what your looking for bring someone who does (NOT A GENERAL MECHANIC a vintage car or coach building specialist) In my experience most normal mechanics haven't the faintest idea when it comes to vintage cars... a proper inspection could save you literally 10's of thousands of pounds We had a very nice looking 12/4 Riley in a couple of months ago that went quite cheaply at auction (circa 20k) looked stunning but it took the selling price over again just to get it safe and reliable, never mind sorting the niggly faults.. I used to work for a vintage Riley specialist full time and still do the odd day for him to help out when he's busy, he's well worth a chat to, he may know the car your looking at... www.barrieagillies.com/ he also has sheds full of spares and parts, Blue diamond services as previously mentioned are worth talking to as well.. Ed
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Could anyone put up a few pictures if i email them,computers are not my strong point!
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Brian Damaged
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I like this. I'm guessing it's got a pre-select gearbox as I can't see a lever anywhere? I love immediate pre and post-WW2 tin, another itch to be scratched when I've got enough spare wonga.
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I hate to say it, but that would make an awesome rod.
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I hate to say it, but that would make an awesome rod. My first thought, and it is unusual enough to be different. The yellow spokes look good as well on the one above.
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Here's a few more pics of a Falcon: Very difficult to chop, as ally body panels on ash frame. Chassis, engine & running gear etc are also very valuable for use as VSCC racers, which keeps values of vile ones relatively high. RME rod - still a twin cam & loving the 5 spoke Cosmic Mk2s The late Kestrel is so much better looking in standard from than many cars which make popular rods, so would make a stunning rod:
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how could you say such things, sorry but for proper vintage cars and PVT there are only two styles, 1) standard or 2)race, anything else is sacrilege.. I mean they're so rare distinctive and special as standard by chopping one up and hacking it about you're actually making it less special not more... Plus a nice solid 6cyl kestrel project would probably set you back 10k and by chopping it up you'd instantly make it worth almost nothing probably puts most people off... proper rods should be built out of discarded junk that's laying around in the workshop, shame that sort of skill has been almost lost
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Don't worry, you're preaching to the converted - my Amazon is what I consider to be my modern, but pre war Rileys are my true automotive passion. Sadly one that funds don't allow me to indulge in yet. Provided that I had a garage to keep it in, I'd happily use a 12/4 Sprite spec six light Kestrel as my everyday car. proper rods should be built out of discarded junk that's laying around in the workshop, shame that sort of skill has been almost lost I was thinking of a rod which used a left over tatty bodyshell* where the chassis & running gear have become a special, rather than hacking up a complete car. Photoshop in progress, which I'll post up once it's complete. *So tatty in fact that it's good only to use to make moulds for new GRP panels.
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Last Edit: Mar 9, 2010 15:07:39 GMT by Paul H
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Mar 14, 2010 19:57:13 GMT
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I looked at the riley again today.. The car is solid underneath and in nice condition but the engine wont turn.The owner wants €2000 and no less should i go for it?
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carmad
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Mar 14, 2010 20:10:26 GMT
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good to see you joined up
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Mar 14, 2010 20:13:27 GMT
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Thanks for pointing me in the right direction carmad .
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Tbh, underneath is the least of your worries - the chassis will outlast the body by a long way, and the floorpan is ally. IMHO 2K is a good price (I've seen far worse advertised for more), but it could easily need several multiples of that spending to sort it out. As 10mpg says, get someone who knows vintage / coachbuilt cars to look at it, especially the body.
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2010 8:04:33 GMT by Paul H
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RME rod - still a twin cam & loving the 5 spoke Cosmic Mk2s WOW! That's an OLD picture. That particular Riley is actually glassfibre and is powered by a 3.8 Jag !! I know as it was a local car back in the 70's ( Hayling Island) .Looks like the picture was taken at an early Southern Roadsters show at Beaulieu , about '73/4.
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2010 8:56:46 GMT by kapri
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