channel 4 : 100 greatest cars

How the hell did the BMW Wankermobile Mini get on the list???

I cant wait for Ch4's 100 greatest ever "100 greatest ever" shows.
Is it just me, or are they starting to grate slightly- a bunch of ignorant D-list "celebrities" barracking on about nothing in particular for 3 hours.

And then you see proper evidence that quite simply:
Democracy DOESN'T Work[/i]

And the missus always insists on watching it all from start to finish...

For the record:
Audi Quattro 1983
Caterham/Lotus Seven - 1973 (if i had my way, i'd bin all new cars and make everyone build their own 7(or whatever) if they wanted to drive.
Citroen 2CV - 1948
Fiat 500 - 1957
Fiat Multipla - 2003 (why oh why did they 'facelift' the new one? it's now just another eurobox with a couple of good ideas. It's uglier now its so bland and inoffensive)
Lancia Stratos - 1974 (fnarr. still looks ahead of the times now)
Mazda RX-7 - 1978 (fnarr fnarr. I saw a rusty as you like 1980 one at the tip the other day, with a tree in the passenger seat. I really, really want one of these)
NSU Ro80 - 1968 (stunning, innovative, flawed genius)
Renault 4 - 1962
Volkswagen Beetle - 1946

My Top 10

Austin 7 - 1923 - First small car to be desgned on the principles of large car design. Its introduction killed off the cycle car market, and paved the way for the Morris Minor and the Mini.

Austin-Healey Sprite - 1958 - A truly classless sportscar (and almost verging on being PC before it's time, wth its inoffensive, cheeky styling).

Citroen DS - 1957 - A techological marvel, and must have seemed to be out of a sci fi film on its launch

Ford Model T - 1915 - First truly mass produced car (but not first one to have full prts standardisation / interchangeability - that was an earlier Cadillac)

Jensen Interceptor FF - 1966 - First production 4x4 road car

Land Rover Series I - 1948 - need I say more? ;D

Morris Minor - 1948 - need I say more? ;D

NSU Ro80 - 1968 - A brave attempt to change the car as we know it, and so very prophetic in all but it's engine.

Volvo Amazon - 1956 - One of the most indestructible cars ever made, and despite being a '50s design, still very practical and capable on todays roads. Many are still in daily use, despite being unrestored, and with care the engines are easily capable of over 500,000 miles between overhauls.

Willy's Jeep - 1940 - An army workhorse that has become a legend

Were there space, the 2Cv and the old Mini would be in the list, but I felt that to include them to the detriment of other cars on here would result in too much overlap in the reasons for the choices.

But why isn't the 1926 Riley 9 Monaco included? This was the world's first three box car, the first 4 seater car to have all the passengers inside the wheelbase, and the first to use sunken rear footwells to increase rear leg room. Even Rolls-Royce bought one for analysis (for the design of the 1930 (/ 31?) R-R Phantom Continental. A later development of it's basic engine design (in 6cyl rather than 4cyl form) powered the ERAs.

There's also so much modern stuff included, that really isn't that special, nor of any historic, engineering or social interest. IMHO, none of the cars below should be any where near a list of the 100 Greatest Cars (even though there are some which I actually like):

Aston Martin DB9
Audi TT
BMW M5
Ford Focus
Ford Mondeo
Hummer
Lambo Gallardo
Lexus LS430
Maserati Quattroporte
MB A Class
MB S Class
New Mini
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII
Nissan Patrol
Porsche Boxster
Porsche 911
Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Renault Clio V6
Rolls-Royce Phantom
Toyota Land Cruiser
TVR T400 R
Volkswagen Phaeton V10 TDi

Are you feeling OK, Mr_Bo11ox?

I clicked this expecting a rant from yourself at channel4's omission from the list of such lovelies as the Talbot Solara, Morris Marina and the Mazda 626.

Instead imagine my shock to find you singing the praises of stylish modern Luxo-barges.
Are you unwell?
Have you had a win on the "pools" and have immedieately shunned your curse word car rootes in pursuit of luxurious glory (only to be driving an Ital again 2 years down the line when like all pools / lotto winners you've slashed it up the wall and spent it on tacky curse word)

Explain yourself! ;D

Cheeky futha mucka.

These so-called ‘people’s surveys’ never include the real treasure, such as the Chrysler 180 and of course Mazda’s finest steering box/leaf-sprung equipped clunkers, but I’ve given up hope that they ever will. So I begrudgingly adopt the ‘if you cant beat them, etc’ mentality and admit that the Roller has SOME merit as the definitive and only ‘mega-limo’ of the millennium, making all pretenders such as the Merc Maybach look positively cheesy. The VW Touareg, whilst being a w*nker wagon by definition, is such a triumph of technology in V10 guise that you’ve gotta admire it (it will spin all 4 wheels in the dry!), and the Lexus, well what can you say? You can buy one with 200k on the clock for 4 grand or so and it will drive and look like new. Except it might well have a set of those god-awful northern Irish number plates, such as RAZ 5783 fitted. A classic.