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Pug 405sPaul H
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Jan 11, 2008 21:43:43 GMT
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Hi fellas, Just got back yesterday from three weeks in New Zealand (spotted thread to follow soon once I've sorted out all the pics ;D) with my gf, visiting her family etc for Christmas & New Year. Throughout the trip, we had the use of her parent's '89 Pug 405 GR as they don't use it much, but it has been well looked after (they bought it from the original owner & have all the documentation etc) & looks very smart in it's metallic light blue paint & factory alloys. Although a big seller over here, in NZ they aren't that common (I did see a few about though) and her father has had a few problems finding mechanics who actually know what they are doing with it - probably too 'different' (due to being a rhd version of a lhd design) than the Japanese / Aussie cars which dominate the NZ market? Having driven it myself, it is a decent car and handled nicely, especially on the twisty country roads, although I didn't push it much due to not knowing the roads and the combination of the 100km/h speed limit & the way which the NZ traffic feds tend to locate their speed cameras. It did make me start to think about them more though ( especially since mum had a G reg GRD estate in the mid '90s) & I must confess that a TD estate would be quite tempting..... However, back to the reason for this post - sometimes it can be tricky to start, unhappy to idle and 'coughs' / misfires at about 2000 rpm (kicking a load of black exhaust out the back) usually more pronounced when driving up a steep hill. However this an intermittant issue rather than happening all the time, but I'm going to source a Haynes manual & also a factory one if I can get hold of it for her father, to make things a bit easier to sort out rather than having to drive 2 hours to the nearest Pug dealership. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this problem? Although it's still carbed (rather than fuel injected), there are so many pipes etc that I wouldn't know where to start, let alone what I'd be looking at. The exhaust also sounds like it is blowing a bit, but only from the left hand side - sounds normal on the driver's side - could this be upsetting some kind of sensor in the emissions gear, thus causing the slight running problem? Any help / advice on wat to check etc would be much appreciated, as would any useful links to 405 technical data etc, so that I can pass this on to my gf's father to help him fix the problem. Pics of tasty 405s would be nice too!!!!  Cheers  |
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Last Edit: Jan 11, 2008 21:45:17 GMT by Paul H
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Jan 11, 2008 21:57:33 GMT
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i had a 1.9 gri a few years back. only fwd car ive had, out of about 24. surprisingly i liked it, cos it didnt seen "french" if you know what i mean. someone on here has just bought a rather tasty mi16 recently. btw, welcome back. hurry up with the spots. |
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Jan 11, 2008 22:18:14 GMT
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I doubt if an 89 pug would have much in the way of emissions control stuff - but then, maybe the regs are different over there?
I had a 1.6 saloon a while back and it was often lumpy and curse word to drive. New spark plugs and leads sorted that.
I later had a 1.9 TD estate and it was awesome. Was very rusty underneath though (quite rare for these I think)
I'm looking for another one now.
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1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Jan 11, 2008 22:58:53 GMT
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stink. I can never rememebr if they're carbed or not. if not, the SAD will be staying shut if it only does it when it's cold (supplementary air device) which rasies the RPM, alongside the enrichment cold start system. if it doens't open it'll run rich as .
405s are sweet. I had an SRi for a spell. way slower than my gti but still awesome cars
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Had a 1600 which, I was told at the time, were notorious for carb problems. The previous owner had had a Weber fitted though and I never had a day's trouble out if it ever.
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The 1.6's had a couple of problems that kept rearing their ugly head in the UK.
Firstly was the hot start issue that it had in common with some of the 205's. Peugeots' answer was a 'hot start kit'. Basically all this did was to run the cooling fans on for longer after switching off the engine, the idea was to move cooler air into the engine bay, eventually getting rid of heat soak issues.
The only other main prob was the 1.6's hunger for piston rings and valve stem seals which could be related to the miss-fire at 2000rpm if they are starting to fail and let oil by and fouling the plugs.
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Aircooled is cool.......
But V8 is great!!!!!!
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Pug 405sPaul H
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Jan 12, 2008 11:02:55 GMT
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Thanks for all the info guys I think this one is a 1.9 rather than the 1.6 but I will check - definately has a carb though! Any more thoughts / things to investigate? |
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Jan 12, 2008 11:08:39 GMT
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1.9 205`s often have trouble with lumpy idle due to worn out airflow meter. I don't know the details, but seemingly its an expensive thing to change, but with a bit of diy, there is something you can do to the old one to recondition it somewhat....something to do with a sliding contact on a copper pad that wears out the copper after a while, making a groove in it. re-positioning the mechanism so the contact is on a fresh bit of the copper... Its been discussed a lot on www.forum.205gtidrivers.com |
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Last Edit: Jan 12, 2008 11:09:16 GMT by dave21478
1986 Panda 4x4.
1990 Metro Sport.
1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Jan 12, 2008 11:15:00 GMT
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1.9 205`s often have trouble with lumpy idle due to worn out airflow meter. I don't know the details, but seemingly its an expensive thing to change, but with a bit of diy, there is something you can do to the old one to recondition it somewhat....something to do with a sliding contact on a copper pad that wears out the copper after a while, making a groove in it. re-positioning the mechanism so the contact is on a fresh bit of the copper... Its been discussed a lot on www.forum.205gtidrivers.comCarb = no AFM. 205gtis are injected. |
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Last Edit: Jan 12, 2008 11:15:30 GMT by Adam
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Jan 12, 2008 11:28:14 GMT
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gah, never spotted he stated it was carbed.
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1986 Panda 4x4.
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Jan 12, 2008 12:49:10 GMT
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Oh (1.9 petrol more than 1.6 petrol) engined ones need regular long runs or the oil gets condensation in it. It looks like the h/g has failed and, I suppose, could be a bargaining point if the seller doesn't know and you're the h/g hasn't actually gone.
The other really random thing about 405s is that it will either be the best car you've ever had or the worse. The build quality and reliability vary incredibly enormously, and the amount of odd squeaks and rattles from the trim could turn Mother Theresa into a homicidal maniac with just one trip to the shops and back. Galvanised bodywork is good though plus the fact at the moment they're about as desirable second hand as a white dog turd. Get a good one and you'll love it, get a bad one and you'll hate yourself for the rest of your life. I'd have another (had about 6 now I think) but only if dirt cheap and in good condition.
*Quick edit: not oone of mine ever liked being in anything higher than 3rd gear at town speeds, sometimes had to keep in 2nd which meant more juice used. The 1.6 would do 40mpg no bother though on a mixed journey or good run out. I have also found the SRi to be the best of the bunch: fast (yes, fast!), ace on fuel, well equipped and not too bad at all to drive.
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Darrel
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Have to agree with Cavmad. Ive had 1.6's (pretty quick for a small engine in large car), 1.9's (can be juicy), but the Sri was a cracker. Not a lot could ever keep up with it. However looking at the technical gumph it was never advertised as a fatser model, just alloys, spoiler etc?
I alsways found the Mk1's had poorer build quality. The dash was made from a very hard plastic that used to creak, but the Mk'2 seemed better.
Normally the later the model the better. The last Hunters,Executives etc were very well built. My favourite was the STDT's. 120mph out of the XUD engine and 50 mpg. You couldnt tell you was driving a diesel.
Ive "upgraded" to a 406 TD now and although its a better car, its not such a nice car to drive.
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Saru
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I've got a 94 (so, series 2) 405 Mi16. It's awesome. Economical and once you get the revs up, it hooks along pretty nicely.  It's got the 2.0 engine, similar to, but not the same, as that used in the early 306 S16. Finding a mechanic who isn't scared witless by it being "French" is a must. I have only ever taken my 405 to specialists and have never had a drama. |
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405s are sweet to own maintenance-wise. they're pretty simple as far as injected cars go. Not as quick as an mi16, but have alot more midrange torque. very fun on gravel, too.
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Jan 13, 2008 10:30:30 GMT
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Best I can find is this...  |
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Jan 13, 2008 10:37:12 GMT
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405's with carbs have either a weber or solex fitted. The weber is the one to have as the solex requires regular and careful setting up to run properly. It might be worth changing the carb, if it bothers that much but you will need the manifold as well.
I've never had a carb 405 all mine were injected ones plus a turbo diesel, but i've love the way they drive. Despite what people say they are easy enough to mend.
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Pug 405sPaul H
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Jan 13, 2008 13:48:12 GMT
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Thanks guys Have to agree with Cavmad. Ive had 1.6's (pretty quick for a small engine in large car).... I alsways found the Mk1's had poorer build quality. The dash was made from a very hard plastic that used to creak, but the Mk'2 seemed better. Sounds like it could be a 1.6, as whilst no roadburner, it had better torque than I would expected from a 1.6 in a car of this size. This one is surprsingly creak free & in good shape, despite 150k miles on the clock (although being new in NZ, it seems to be essentially a UK icar, as still has an MPH speedo with the km/h in smaller markings) Finding a mechanic who isn't scared witless by it being "French" is a must. I have only ever taken my 405 to specialists and have never had a drama. That's the problem that my gf's father has been having. To most NZ mechanics, everything is in the wrong place (lhd origins of the design?) & even her brother who is a mechanic won't touch it!!!! Whilst the local Pug dealer are fine, they are not close & I suspect also not that hot either on tracking down & dealing with issues that are probably relating mainly to old age, esp vacuum hoses etc. 405's with carbs have either a weber or solex fitted. The weber is the one to have as the solex requires regular and careful setting up to run properly. It might be worth changing the carb, if it bothers that much but you will need the manifold as well. I've never had a carb 405 all mine were injected ones plus a turbo diesel, but i've love the way they drive. Despite what people say they are easy enough to mend. Not sure which carb, but will pass all info on. Good to hear from so many that they are easy to work on. As for all the positive feedback about how they drive, I suspect that this is why my gf's parents have kept it for so long & why they're not intending to get rid of it. Regarding the carb, are there a whole load of vacuum hoses etc that could cause running problems if split / leaking? Presumably there's more going on than on a '60s carbed car? |
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Pug 405sslater
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Jan 13, 2008 15:45:44 GMT
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A guy at work is building a 405 TD with cossie wheels and a coilover conversion! if he ever finishes it then il get him to put up some pics!
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atlanticblue
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Jan 14, 2008 22:17:37 GMT
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here's a pic of mine-i don't suppose its that tasty cos its still bog standard but i've had it over six years and its never let me down. build quality is great with no squeaks or rattles but i think the 93 on series 2 cars are better made because i had a j reg 1.9 before and that felt a bit flimsy against this one-it was still a good car though. the 2.0 engine feels smoother than the old 1.9 too-i'd definately recommend them. thinking about finding a diablo red 16v le mans now   |
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Jan 14, 2008 22:38:25 GMT
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Hi Paul where in NZ are the GF parents. Here in Wellington is a bloke called Chuni Govind who is a Peugeot 405 guru. Unfortunately whilst being great cars they are pretty worthless over here so the time and money spent fixing them is often not woth it.
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It's got the 2.0 engine, similar to, but not the same, as that used in the early 306 S16.
