Del
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Mar 22, 2022 22:40:21 GMT
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I browse through the 'Other Cars' in the Classic Cars section on eBay every now and again, and it struck me that Scimitar GTEs seem ridiculously cheap. There's ones that need a bit of fettling for £2-3k. Is it the fibreglass putting people off do you think? The Reliant name maybe? They seem to be incredibly bargainous.
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Mar 22, 2022 22:47:58 GMT
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It makes no sense, just compare the prices to a similar age 3.0 Capri, the scimitar has a proper rear suspension and far fewer rust issues to.
I think it must be the fiberglass and association with 3 wheels, the trim is a bit shonky too but then so is a Lotus.
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Dez
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Scimitars - why so cheap?Dez
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Mar 22, 2022 23:13:07 GMT
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Don’t underestimate their ability to rust. They do, badly, and can ruin the fibreglass when they do- they blow out all the steel inserts for the door hinges and it makes a right mess. A cheap one is very often a money pit.
They’ve just never been madly desirable though. They’re actually fairly heavy so are quite underpowered but thirsty. Interiors are fairly janky, the fibreglass is quite stressed in places so suffers from stress cracks and paintwork issues. They’re not really considered lookers either by most people. They can be a cheapish fun car though if you find the right one. Most of the cheaper ones get broken these days though, engines and boxes go back to the Ford crowd and the hotrodders like the chassis, rear axles and ID.
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People in general ARE daunted by fibreglass too, because it's "unknown" to most garages and home mechanics. Speaking from experience it is not that bad to deal with, and the Scimitar wasn't a kit car so it *should* be half decent stuff. That said, what Dez says is bang on the money. Although they may be more sensible than a Capri, they are heavy and it makes more financial sense to break one up and flog the bits.
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Don't say it. Don't say it.
Princess Anne had one you know.
Gahhhhh.
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Don't say it. Don't say it. Princess Anne had one you know. Gahhhhh. This!
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Mar 23, 2022 10:44:17 GMT
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Stop pointing it out! Some hedge fund tosser will arbitrarily decide that it's a place to stash their 'earnings' tax free and balloon the price beyond what most people can afford. Or at least wait until I've bought one to do it
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Scimitars - why so cheap?Mercdan68
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Mar 23, 2022 11:20:34 GMT
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I’ve owned one scimitar lovely blue one in top nick And many many 3.0 capris Including my late x plate one Tbh there completely different cars too drive and although they originally went up against each other I think I’d compare the scimitar more to the Gilbern than the ford Personally if I could own either cars again I just couldn’t choose they were both fantastic cars I’d have both! And yea the scimitar is worth buying now because there going up rapidly now
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Mar 23, 2022 14:14:55 GMT
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I’ve owned one scimitar lovely blue one in top nick And many many 3.0 capris Including my late x plate one Tbh there completely different cars too drive and although they originally went up against each other I think I’d compare the scimitar more to the Gilbern than the ford Personally if I could own either cars again I just couldn’t choose they were both fantastic cars I’d have both! And yea the scimitar is worth buying now because there going up rapidly now Ahh, South Bank at Brands.
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Mar 23, 2022 15:19:24 GMT
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I think they've flown up in price over the past few years for anything anywhere near decent.
They were a bit slow on the uptake behind other classics, but good ones are definitely fetching decent money now.
I paid £1200 plus auction fees for a very tidy SE5A about 11 years ago. That was before most things went mad, but it was still amazing value for what you got at the time.
Capris are mad now. They were still worth peanuts when MK1 and MK2 Escorts started going crazy, but now they're just mad money for what they are.
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Laters
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Scimitars - why so cheap?Laters
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Mar 23, 2022 16:18:12 GMT
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I have had scimitars on and off for about 35 years. In that time had ones that ranged from project cars to minters. For me there are a few things that let scimitars down compared to other cars from the same period. The interior plastics let the SE5a & SE6 onward down. There are repro parts to replace some of the parts now which does help but the interiors can feel very low rent if the plastics have aged badly, which most can.
Sold my last one a couple of years ago. Prices for them have been on the rise slowly for a few years but the better cars have taken a big jump in price over the last couple of years. I sold my last GTE as I got a offer that I couldn't refuse & had already got my eyes on something different. In the couple of years since I sold my last scimitar it has sold with the last sale taking place on eBay & the sale price being over twice what I got for it. I thought I had done well getting what I got for it.
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Rob M
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Scimitars - why so cheap?Rob M
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Mar 23, 2022 17:54:11 GMT
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I've had 5 6As and one 5a. Lots of myths, lots of truths about them. Chassis can rust but are rarely an issue apart from the outriggers which is not a massive job to do. The steel structure ( a hooped frame, IIRC ) that the bottom part of the seat belt bolts into ( base of the pillar ) is a VERY important rust spot but barely gets a mention. The 5as have a steel insert across the lower sill which blows out/cracks the fibreglass when it rusts out, again, not a horrendous job to deal with, certainly no worse than dealing with rotten sills on your average Capri. Overheating? Nah, unless it is badly maintained. Never had one that had overheating issues. Interiors? No worse than anything else made in the 70's, in many cases better than some of the mass manufactured dross that was churned out then. The 5as are quicker than the 6s, don't be fooled by 'the 'boat anchor' engine as some less enlightened like to call it. It will surprise many a car. The 6a is, probably, comparable to a Focus 2.0 Zetec of 90's vintage ,performance wise. Well my son had a said Focus back in the day and he had to work it to keep up with mine. Easy to work on, mechanically simple, great owners club, practical ( I got a s**t ton in the back of mine when I was moving house) and, IMHO, good looking. I was buying them for £700 a pop in the old days, that won't buy a box of bits for one now. The 5a is narrow, wear plimsols when you drive one or you will hit the brake and accelerator at the same time.... The 6a is a better grand tourer, for sure. Don't listen to those that will tell you that the PCD means wheel choice is vast, they have a zero offset, wheel choice is quite limited. I think that's all for now. Oh, I owned a 2.8 Capri too, personally, I preferred the Scimitar.
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ChasR
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Scimitars - why so cheap?ChasR
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Mar 23, 2022 19:27:58 GMT
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As a few have said, good ones are pricey.
While the jobs may not be terrible, they can take alot of time, meaning if you don't have the time to do it yourself and want to outsource it: -Finding someone willing to do it is harder as most resto shops have more work now than what they know to do with it. -Time is money, especially with overheads soaring with the oncoming energy cost rises.
A £2-3k one would most likely be an iffy thing to buy.
For me, the dashes were a big letdown compared to what else was around in the day. Quite plasticky and bit of a budget American feel about it. It really disappointed me about an otherwise decent looking car.
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Ssshh... I'd love a Scimitar. Great looking car in a sporty station wagon kind of way. A very practical retro motor. I'd better get my back to the UK and buy one before all this silly talk pushes the price too high.
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I rather like them, but always put off by the heavy, thirsty and under-powered boat anchor up front. Make a nice noise, but that’s about it. If I ever buy one the Ford boys will be welcome to the engine and box……
There have been some epic engine swaps documented in these pages including Lexus V8 and Omega 3.0 V6. Also seen the BMW 2.5 diesel and VAG PD fitted in. The last no doubt makes for a very practical classic but not sure I could live with the noise.
Nick
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VIP
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Mar 24, 2022 13:22:26 GMT
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Don't listen to those that will tell you that the PCD means wheel choice is vast, they have a zero offset, wheel choice is quite limited. Literally has the best PCD for choice wide low offset wheels.
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Mar 24, 2022 13:50:18 GMT
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Mar 24, 2022 13:56:32 GMT
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I don't know, I've found it somewhat difficult to find a set of 15" 4x114.3s for my T2000 that I like. It's not helped by the rears being ET0, but the fronts needing something like ET15-20.
Seems to be lots of 14" wheels about, but few 15s.
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