Paul
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Hi all,
Looking at my next project and there are loads out there in various states of tune.
Now it may save me some money buying one that's had work done already (in fact it definitely will) BUT I'm always a little dubious of the quality of work. Going from stock will be more effort (and I don't mind that - in fact I enjoy it!) and more costly but I'd have the satisfaction, and be safe in the knowledge that parts are new and well fitted - or at least as well as I can fit them!
Thoughts?
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That's assuming a standard one has been properly maintained as well though.
Modified can sometimes be cheaper to start with.
A lot can depend on what it is your after though
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As long as a monkey hasn't wielded the spinners, you should be ok. But after my last Vectra, I wouldn't buy modified again. Bolts half undone, no bolts etc, judicious use of cable ties...
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I bought modified for the first time last year, VXR8 with modified 6 litre LS2 engine.
It ended in disaster when a valve spring snapped and wiped out the engine (performance cam is related to the failure), I'm currently building a new engine but making better choices of components that the previous owner did.
I would never buy modified again, I'd do it myself and know that its done properly.
Have a think about how high your standards are too, I have some attention to detail where needed, sometimes it turns out that other people don't have the same attention to detail and it can be worrying when you don't know how far that went and what you need to put right.
Unless you arent willing or able to DIY to a high standard, then go for DIY.
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fogey
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Modifying it yourself from scratch gives much more satisfaction - in my book that's worth the extra pennies . . .
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I do all my own mods and wouldn't dream of buying one someone else had done, not because I mistrust the engineering so much as it wouldn't be MINE! Not my vision, not my dreams, not my hard graft! Mine say "Built, not Bought!" with pride!
OTOH I have built a couple or 3 cars for customers who don't have time/facilities/knowhow to do it themselves. I don't see anything wrong with this, even though it's not MY style! Not everyone is a brilliant engineer with a handy triple garage full of tools and years of practice - good job too, or i'd be out of work!
A few tips for both sides of the argument, if buying ready modified, look for a car that has been on the road for a year or two and PROVEN it's reliability, a fresh build could have any number of hidden problems. If you're doing it yourself and planning an engine transplant, buy a car that's already got a blown motor or similar problem, much cheaper. Also buy a donor CAR rather than just the engine, you're bound to need lots of other little bits that you'd otherwise have to find or buy that will come free with a donor car. Another good start is an abandoned project, but this CAN be a double edged sword, ask WHY it was abandoned, inspect it with a VERY jaundiced and critical eye and be prepared to unpick it entirely and rebuild to your own satisfaction! It's still a cheaper way to get what you want than starting with a blank canvas of a standard car!
Steve
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Buy a donor CAR rather than just the engine, you're bound to need lots of other little bits that you'd otherwise have to find or buy that will come free with a donor car. Exactly this. Even three or four if you have the space. Many of the same parts will be worn out or broken on all of them but just sometimes you'll be lucky. And don't be in a hurry to dump the shells of the parts cars. There will always be some other thing that you need that you didn't think you would need. It is not possible to have too many spare parts.
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keyring
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Buying standard v modifiedkeyring
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Usually always works out cheaper to buy modified, and if you like what's been done to the modified one then it can be the perfect way to get exactly what you want, but as others have already said, it all depends on the quality of the work, i've bought modified before, and found it to be full of bodges (mk2 golf with a vr6 conversion) and ended up having to redo the majority of the work again.
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Usually always works out cheaper to buy modified, and if you like what's been done to the modified one then it can be the perfect way to get exactly what you want, but as others have already said, it all depends on the quality of the work, i've bought modified before, and found it to be full of bodges (mk2 golf with a vr6 conversion) and ended up having to redo the majority of the work again. Certainly true in the case of my mk2, I couldn't have got a good rust free shell for what I paid for mine. Yes the conversion and wiring needs sorting out but even with that done and a few jobs to make it mine I will still have about half it's finished value in it
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Both have their pro’s and cons...standard doesn’t exclude a car from bodges along the way!
When I bought my Arosa, part of the reason I got such a good deal was that the mods (coil overs, LOTS of stickers...) were putting off buyers (as it was advertised on autotrader)
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Buying standard v modifiedjohnthesparky
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Couldn’t have bought the fugitive unmodified, but we went back to square one and started again.
Certain cars would be a shame to modify a good example as they become rarer, but if you find one that’s been modified already then game on!
And as said, there are plenty of vehicles out there that look lovely and have been badly restored or just patched up for the mot, so unmodified isn’t really much of a guarantee
I’ve always gone for the honest cars, they will always have faults but if I can deal with the faults and the rest of it doesn’t look patched up, terrible or too good to be true.. that’s normally the one
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I got a little bit of stick from one or two sources for modding my rare 2 door Toledo (only around 60 left) Especially since it was low mileage, low owners, Ziebarted and good history. But since I was the first and only bidder on a no reserve ebay auction and the seller told me bluntly that the car would have been scrapped if not sold, I tell these folk to take a hike! I saved it when no one else was willing to! I'm now into my 9th year of running this car and it's been my daily for the last 2 years. I can honestly say the reliability has been impeccable with only 5 days use lost in 8+ years and 20k+ hard miles. I reckon an original car of the same type would have been hard pushed to match that! Steve
PS, the engine pic was taken soon after the conversion was done, the battery has since been relocated to the boot, but the cable ties supporting the air filter are still there and still doing the job! As I have said before, if it lasts more than a week, it's not a bodge, it's an engineering solution!
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Last Edit: Jun 2, 2019 20:59:59 GMT by carledo
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