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Ive been watching these rise in price over the past few years and cant remember someone laughing on here when there was one advertised for £10,000 4/5 years later there closer to the £20,000 mark. What your your thoughts on these? Are they really selling for these amounts and do you think in the current market there a wise retro buy.  |
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Last Edit: Apr 29, 2019 8:10:59 GMT by bababoom
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I know a couple of people who have bought them recently for strong money. I can't see any further steep rises for them any time soon, but they're pretty safe money as long as A. You buy wisely, there's still a lot of rubbish out there and B. Nothing expensive goes wrong with them, keeping in mind RS Tax/Cossie Tax on some used parts.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:04:38 GMT
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My brother bought one a couple of years ago for what now is a bargain, however he barely drove it, when you see what things like bumpers and trim are going for, only takes one doris to not pay attention and you're 1200 into a bumper and a large insurance claim. And it got vandalised everytime it came out the garage.
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Apr 29, 2019 12:25:49 GMT
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In my opinion you have missed the boat if you were hoping to see a decent increase in value while owning one.
I think 20k is top money and should buy a very good one. Any more than 20k and it would need to low milage and unrestored.
I had a 3dr and the value took the enjoyment out of it. So I sold it. I just don't think they are worth the money and I couldn't pay porsche 997 money to myself back into one.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:13:35 GMT
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I can remember years ago when i first joined a local car club, and a guy had a cheap one he used to drive like it was stolen. Crazy when you see the prices now, a car i'd have loved to have owned, but not at the prices they are now....
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Apr 30, 2019 13:56:23 GMT
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My brother bought one a couple of years ago for what now is a bargain, however he barely drove it, when you see what things like bumpers and trim are going for, only takes one doris to not pay attention and you're 1200 into a bumper and a large insurance claim. And it got vandalised everytime it came out the garage. Similar to your GSI-alike I have been considering making a Sapphire Cosworth-alike, yet parts seem not only impossible to find, but astronomically expensive when you do find them. Missed it on a local bumper at £300 because I thought it was expensive. Seems crazy the figures some things are selling for. |
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Apr 30, 2019 16:04:11 GMT
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They were down to sub 5k and as low as 3k for proper ropey ones 10 years ago , thats when they had a magenta one on wheeler dealers , also before they got too rusty !
If you buy a good one and pay good money i doubt you will loose any money unless you drastically change its looks or similar .
I think you might make a bit it you manage to get one with needs recomissioning etc but i expect there a load of guys sat on a bunch of used notes with a trailer who would snap these up immediately - the Ford scene seems to have a lot of these nutters !
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Apr 30, 2019 16:18:52 GMT
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They were down to sub 5k and as low as 3k for proper ropey ones 10 years ago , thats when they had a magenta one on wheeler dealers , also before they got too rusty ! If you buy a good one and pay good money i doubt you will loose any money unless you drastically change its looks or similar . I think you might make a bit it you manage to get one with needs recomissioning etc but i expect there a load of guys sat on a bunch of used notes with a trailer who would snap these up immediately - the Ford scene seems to have a lot of these nutters ! I bought a decent-ish one for £2500 in 2007. When I say decent-ish, it was on the road, no rust issues and no engine problems, just far from a show car/top example. |
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Apr 30, 2019 18:08:08 GMT
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Obviously a standard 2.0 sapphire is a far cry from a cosworth, but how long will it be before the values of rust free standard sapphires start to rise? I don't suppose it will be long before they need chaining to the ground, if not already. I can remember when a sapphire cosworth was referred to as 'not a proper cozzy'. A mate had one and just ragged it like it was disposable, and then scrapped it. How things change.
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I've had a couple in the past, last one was just over ten years ago. Tidy enough flint grey running stage 3 with the leather. Bought it from mate for £2500, kicked the ar5e off it for 18 months and sold it for what I paid. The value is more in them as standard, but they are not that quick by todays standards then. Think they must have reached a ceiling price level, but nostalgia plays such a part these days
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It's not surprising that these have gone up. Compare them to their 'pricier' brethren, if they can be seen that way.
BMW E30 M3 ; Almost £100k for the fancier Evos/special edition cars
BMW E28 M5 : Almost probably over £20-30k these days
Ferraris : OK, I am pushing my luck there, but here was a car that could challenge them, start in the morning, and still allow you to do the shopping.
The thing is, people are right when they say you are just buying a 'Ford'. It was when Ford were doing very well! In a nutshell
-It was a dream car for a many ; an attainable one at that before the insurance premiums hit the stratosphere and went to the next galaxy
-It was a car that was relatively cheap, but offered supercar performance
-It was also a car that was similar in a few ways to its more basic and sensible brethren. People didn't say "it had a van engine" or, "it's only a Sierra", things worked the other way! People would fit Cosworth spoilers onto their cars, or the grilles etc, and make out that they owned something special.
-Let's not forget how well it did in the racing that it competed in.
What you are buying isn't just a crappy old Ford. You are buying a slice of history in addition to a significant representation of a bygone generation.
That's part of the reason I bought my Escort RS Turbo S1, albeit it wasn't for quite as much as they change hands for now.
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Nostalgia as well, people like me who's mum and dad both had Sierra Cosworths at the same time in the late 90s can now afford to insure them, I'm 28 and can now insure (according to Confused QuickQuote) my dads old RS500 for half what I was paying on a 1.8 Vectra B 12 months ago. Shame they've almost octupled in price since the late 90s, or I'd daily one  |
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Obviously a standard 2.0 sapphire is a far cry from a cosworth, but how long will it be before the values of rust free standard sapphires start to rise? I don't suppose it will be long before they need chaining to the ground, if not already. I can remember when a sapphire cosworth was referred to as 'not a proper cozzy'. A mate had one and just ragged it like it was disposable, and then scrapped it. How things change. The base models are certainly a far cry from a Cosworth. However, I just bought one and I fear its as close as I will ever get! Build Thread Here. Even looking at building something with a few Cossie parts is an expensive feat. My uncle when I was about 5 had a Magenta Red Sierra Sapphire Cosworth and its stuck in my mind ever since. I was too young to really form a judgment on it but the feeling it gave me as a young lad was immense. Probably has a lot to answer for today. I remember looking at a Moonstone one maybe 6 years ago at £3,000. However 20 year old me stood no chance of insuring the thing. I passed it up thinking id get the chance later down the line but that never happened. Similar to the quote above, I had a friend who was as dodgey as they came but a friend none the less and a little bit older than me. When I was about 18 he would turn up in a different Sapphire Cosworth every week, they seemed to change hands for not a lot and all had the necks rung on them. I suppose where to many got binned its made the surviving examples worth that much more. |
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I, like a few others on here, had one back in the mists of time but for me it was because you needed to have a "Cozzie" back then and get "dat Respek innit". I didn't particularly bond with it myself, not really "fast" in standard form but when remapped they did go well.
For me really it was just a good engine and a couple of nice Recaro seats in the front, the rest was just too similar to the local taxi firm's fleet to be anything special.
The majority I see for sale, the 3 doors,Sapphire and Escort versions seem to be relatively low mileage and unmodified which is very surprising as back then all the one's I remember were modified and used as daily transport as we weren't rich and it was our only car and I don't remember very many locally, or in fact any, being left standard and tucked up in a garage to preserve them.
Cynical I may be but I fear a lot of clocking and de modifying is going on and I would be very careful indeed if I were silly enough to want one again and believe they are worth north of 20k, apart from the limited edition RS500 which at least was a rare item to begin with.
All IMHO of course.
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I'll never forget my Dads pal bought a brand new white 3dr when I was around 7 years old.
My school was just across from my house and when he first visited with it, I spent the whole break time standing at the railings staring at it, I was in love!
He took me out in it at lunch time and gave it some beans, as it was new, it was standard so probably not that fast but as a car daft 7yo it made a huge impression.
I would still give my left bollock for a 3dr, and I want a Saph too, but I don't know if I can be arsed with the trouble of trying to track down a genuine car, there is a huge amount of grot out there.
Not to mention the prices.
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Last Edit: May 2, 2019 4:37:07 GMT by Ritchie
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