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Last Edit: Oct 3, 2007 12:59:25 GMT by Lewis
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qwerty
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 52
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They're cologne based I believe if thats any help? Botht the essex and Cologne V6 went in the Capri so must be similar. Popuptoaster is your man for anything Cossie V6
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Gives me something to go on - cheers - just doing a bit of reading up on them now. Another thing - what's a reasonable redline for a standard one and what kind of output can you realistically get from them?
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mk14dr
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Club RR Member Number: 85
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Ive cross posted you question onto OSF. I'm sure someone will be able to help, although PopUpToaster is d'man
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Thanks! Much appreciated ;D
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Essex mounts and Cologne mounts are completely different. On the Capri, consequently, even the crossmember is different. On the plus side, the bellhousing pattern is the same.
BTW, the first Cossie V6 was Essex-derived, the mighty 3.4L GAA 24v DOHC. It was the first V6 Cosworth ever designed, and was a pure race motor for Grp2 Capri touring cars and, later, F5000.
The "other" Ford Cossie V6 is, of course, the Granny 2.9L. Also 24v DOHC. Production car motor.
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Yea, I remember the GAA - beastie! RE the mounts, dammit, hmm! The reason I bought it up was that I'm seriously considering (just to hack about in over christmas) buying that Ford V6 engined Sprint - hell, it's probably slower than a standard Sprint but it's bound to press all the right buttons, make a good noise and light the tyres which would see me nicely sorted - and was just wondering about making it a little faster, you see - as it has an Essex V6 already.
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engine mounts are different but in a similarish place, wouldn't be to hard to make some up to replace an essex with the 24v, on the standard plenum with a few mods you can expect to get up to around 230-240bhp, after that you really need to change it as its quite restrictive, however bunging on some sort of forced induction will give well 300bhp on a bog standard engine at 0.5 bar, there are reports of bog standard engines staying alive at 1 bar boost and knocking out 400bhp which I can believe but not confirm.
redline is 6200rpm I seem to remember, fitting a big end girdle will up that to 7000rpm though.
basic first jobs are to check the timing chain tensioners as they can be buggered but not make any noise till to late, then if you want some more go fit the later BOB cams, vauxhall vectra 2.5 V6 injectors, induction kit and get it chipped and decatted it should knock out around 230bhp.
The later BOB engine from the bug eye scorpio make a lil bit more power standard but is harder to wire up due to its PATS, fully electronic autobox and the fact it has variable venturi inlet doohicky.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Cool! Thanks for the heads up I'll see how the auction goes, then!
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Egads, that did make a bit of a mess!
Cool conversion by the way, should be ace when it's done ;D
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its got to be tempting. See how it goes with the Essex and work from there. There was an article in retro ford about a guy who mated GAA heads to a Essex block and has a single cam GAA hybrid motor. Awesome.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Woah, that sounds pretty mental! Something like that could be quite tempting - or maybe just a set of downdraughts As far as the guy knows, it's got a 4 speed Capri box in it (manual) - I'm assuming that's a fairly agricultural thing (?) at the best of time but are they frail? This isn't relevant to the conversion per se, just how does it hold up with the Essex
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theres several 4 speed Ford boxes and some of them are pretty good. Many people rate the 4 speed Capris as a nicer drive than the 5 speed ones for example... theres parts out there to make some of those old 4 speeds pretty bullet proof too.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Cool, ta!
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I'm sure theres a "guide to ID 4 speed Ford boxes" on OSF.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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its got to be tempting. See how it goes with the Essex and work from there. There was an article in retro ford about a guy who mated GAA heads to a Essex block and has a single cam GAA hybrid motor. Awesome. Agree with AK, you might find the Essie lump quite a basis for power, especially so with Ric Wood ally heads and triples should you hit the lotto or stumble across an open Brinks van. And, GADS! AK! Dig out that RF article and post it to me posthaste, if you have an ounce of human compassion. ;D I'm tingling all over, as GAA heads are far more common than GAA blocks. Sounds like a great adaptation of thoughts outside the box.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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the 4 speed is a nicer box and its stronger than the later 5 speed type 9 which the 24v will eat easily if you have any traction, thats why mines got the rare V6 rwd MT75, more dosh though. Much as i love tradition and the essex, it seems a waste to start with a 140bhp engine and spend money tuning it when the 24v has 200 to start with.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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dom
Kinda New
Posts: 3
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Harro everyone!!! Just thought i'd pop up on here from OSF.
We've got a 24V6 BOB in our 2.8i special, goes like poo off a shovel I tells ya and personally would recommend the conversion to anyone.
It runs an Emerald ECU (expensive but worth every penny) with the loom spliced into the 2.8i loom. Also got one of them mega rare v6 mt75s. To be honest the BOA's are easier to wire in than the BOB variant but only if you're keeping the standard ECU and don't plan on doing anything too crazy with the engine.
Anything you need to know and I'll see if I can find out for ya!
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Sounds pretty good ;D Hey, ta Dom! Very kind of you to sign up
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Last Edit: Oct 3, 2007 15:45:28 GMT by Lewis
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