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Jun 18, 2018 16:53:38 GMT
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Whenever I am faced with an electrical issue, I get ripped off by various outlets for crimp connectors. It's something you need right away, can't drive until I get some, so halfords etc charge silly money for a box with 100s of connectors you don't need and 10 that you do need. www.toolstation.com/search?search=crimp3 quid for 100 of whatever type you need .... and before anyone puts these things down, I solder all of them.
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keyring
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I’ve started using the heat shrink crimps, fairly cheap online and just can’t see past them now. Wish I had found out about them years ago!
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Last Edit: Jun 19, 2018 5:36:36 GMT by keyring
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slater
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They are reasonable price. Worth getting a mixed pack for emergencies.
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Jun 19, 2018 12:07:25 GMT
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I’ve started using the heat shrink crimps, fairly cheap online and just can’t see past them now. Wish I had found out about them years ago! Heat shrink + Water tight, all I ever use now. As they shrink the adhesive gets squeezed out the ends. Double whammy of an extra strong crimp as well as being completely water tight. If I'm not soldering, its those badboys that go on now.
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60six
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Jun 20, 2018 17:59:59 GMT
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I’ve started using the heat shrink crimps, fairly cheap online and just can’t see past them now. Wish I had found out about them years ago! Just discovered these - dash is now full of them - What are heat shrink clips?
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keyring
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Jun 20, 2018 18:55:45 GMT
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I’ve started using the heat shrink crimps, fairly cheap online and just can’t see past them now. Wish I had found out about them years ago! Just discovered these - dash is now full of them - What are heat shrink clips? Crimps as usual, but the normal hard plastic is heatshrink with glue inside it which runs out the end when heated, keeps them water proof, and improves the strength massively www.12voltplanet.co.uk/adhesive-lined-heatshrink-terminals-connectors.html
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Last Edit: Jun 20, 2018 18:56:06 GMT by keyring
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Jun 20, 2018 19:38:40 GMT
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Ive discovered some clever little burgers that have a ring of solder in the middle you just heat it up until the solder melts and it's all heat shrunk and soldered in a flash
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Rob M
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Jun 20, 2018 19:44:04 GMT
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I can give you 30 years of field experience as a Telecommunications Network Engineer and tell you it doesn't. We used heatshrink closures for decades and, unless one had been put on pretty brilliantly, they tended to allow water in, retain the water and cause corrosion on pairs, often with catastrophic results to cable joints. I'm not suggesting that you abandon these heatshrink closures but what I am saying is do not assume that you can fit one in a position where it will be subject to regular contact with water, whether that be water traps or water kicked up fronm the road etc. They really need to be fitted to wiring that will have very little to no possibility of contact with water.
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keyring
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Jun 20, 2018 20:11:38 GMT
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Ive discovered some clever little burgers that have a ring of solder in the middle you just heat it up until the solder melts and it's all heat shrunk and soldered in a flash Ive seen these, but yet to try them! I can give you 30 years of field experience as a Telecommunications Network Engineer and tell you it doesn't. We used heatshrink closures for decades and, unless one had been put on pretty brilliantly, they tended to allow water in, retain the water and cause corrosion on pairs, often with catastrophic results to cable joints. I'm not suggesting that you abandon these heatshrink closures but what I am saying is do not assume that you can fit one in a position where it will be subject to regular contact with water, whether that be water traps or water kicked up fronm the road etc. They really need to be fitted to wiring that will have very little to no possibility of contact with water. Surely still a better option compared to the usual crimps? Or do you reckon worse due to water retention?
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Last Edit: Jun 20, 2018 20:13:20 GMT by keyring
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Rob M
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Ive discovered some clever little burgers that have a ring of solder in the middle you just heat it up until the solder melts and it's all heat shrunk and soldered in a flash Ive seen these, but yet to try them! I can give you 30 years of field experience as a Telecommunications Network Engineer and tell you it doesn't. We used heatshrink closures for decades and, unless one had been put on pretty brilliantly, they tended to allow water in, retain the water and cause corrosion on pairs, often with catastrophic results to cable joints. I'm not suggesting that you abandon these heatshrink closures but what I am saying is do not assume that you can fit one in a position where it will be subject to regular contact with water, whether that be water traps or water kicked up fronm the road etc. They really need to be fitted to wiring that will have very little to no possibility of contact with water. Surely still a better option compared to the usual crimps? Or do you reckon worse due to water retention? They will certainly look neater and smarter. Crimps are less likely to retain water and can be disconnected and cleaned up, generally. I have not really seen these new heatshrink closures but, I assume, you are advised to abrade the cable around it's circumference and not longtitudinally, basically, the glue should have something to grip to. I would use heatshrinks, I would just not use them in areas that they are prone to have more than their fair share of water contact.
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keyring
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Jun 21, 2018 19:34:26 GMT
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Ive seen these, but yet to try them! Surely still a better option compared to the usual crimps? Or do you reckon worse due to water retention? They will certainly look neater and smarter. Crimps are less likely to retain water and can be disconnected and cleaned up, generally. I have not really seen these new heatshrink closures but, I assume, you are advised to abrade the cable around it's circumference and not longtitudinally, basically, the glue should have something to grip to. I would use heatshrinks, I would just not use them in areas that they are prone to have more than their fair share of water contact. It doesn’t come with any instructions, but yeah that would make sense, although not something I do, I always ensure the glue has flowed out the full way round the crimp, but then depending on location I’ll put shrink over the top of it too. But yeah I can completely understand that, the last thing you want is water sitting in electrical connections
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Jun 21, 2018 20:07:38 GMT
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I love toolstation, just so bloomin handy, and the automotive stuff like brake cleaner and other odds and sods is not to bad either!
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k1664
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Jun 21, 2018 21:03:59 GMT
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Whenever I am faced with an electrical issue, I get ripped off by various outlets for crimp connectors. It's something you need right away, can't drive until I get some, so halfords etc charge silly money for a box with 100s of connectors you don't need and 10 that you do need. www.toolstation.com/search?search=crimp3 quid for 100 of whatever type you need .... and before anyone puts these things down, I solder all of them. I wouldn't put them down, I would question soldering though. Get a decent ratcheting crimp tool and you'll have a consistant good joint everytime. Soldering is down to the skill of the user, inconsistant and when it wicks back up the cable makes it brittle and more liable to break. I've been working on aircraft electrics for 30 years now and very rarely now is anything outside of a pcb soldered.
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Jun 21, 2018 23:24:50 GMT
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Ive discovered some clever little burgers that have a ring of solder in the middle you just heat it up until the solder melts and it's all heat shrunk and soldered in a flash First off I am an Electrician so this m ight explain the following. Problem with them is they are a very low temperature solder, basically a metal glue. This is because the solder has to melt at a temperature just below the temperature the heat shrink shrinks giving a low temp join. A mechanic mate swore by these for a week, then went back to crimps. Personally I always try use Utilux brass crimps with a proper crimping tool or solder lugs with a decent soldering iron. I have never trusted the squeeze crimps with the plastic covers that get squeezed with it unless they are crimped with a proper ratchet crimper that does the wire and insulation as one. I have seen far to many of these type crimped with the cheap single crimp tools or horror of horrors side cutters. Adrian
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Jun 21, 2018 23:26:16 GMT
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I’ve started using the heat shrink crimps, fairly cheap online and just can’t see past them now. Wish I had found out about them years ago! Just discovered these - dash is now full of them - What are heat shrink clips? Do they all rattle? I have a selection of them and use them for temporary wiring. Wiring
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Jun 23, 2018 15:57:46 GMT
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Why did he go back to crimps
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froggy
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Jun 23, 2018 18:33:16 GMT
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I’ve not had any issues with the shrink / solder ring type bought through wurth , still use a flux pen on the bare ends though before fixing though
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Jun 24, 2018 14:56:56 GMT
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Why did he go back to crimps The joins were letting go as the solder wasnt fixing the wires together properly but the heat shrink was shrinking
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