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I was thinking that in say 20 years time the market for vehicles will have changed a lot from today. We'll probably have some driverless cars around (nuff said!) but a lot more vehicles than not will be electric or hybrids.
So lets just say you could get a complete electric conversion for say £3-5K - would you? Or would you rather get rid of your RR altogether?
As an example, I've seen some very nice electric VW Beetle conversions, which obviously cost way more than the £3-5K above, but if due to economies of scale your car could be future proofed for say £5k tops, would you do it?
I'm thinking I would, but it would only be worth it on a car that was very good already and if it was the only option.
I'd rather see an electric RR on the road than no RR on the road at all.
Your thoughts?
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look up evbmw on YouTube, he's aiming to convert an e36 for less than 1k euros
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For that money yes i would, funnily enough this week I got a ballpark quote from a company that converts classic cars to electric, hoping for a figure around that amount.
Sadly the ballpark quote was £20k for them to do it or £15k self fit.
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100% would have an electric Retro.
I would also 100% have an electric hillclimb car. I really want to build one out of a space frame and fibreglass MG Midget.
Waiting for some more crashed electric cars to tear parts off.
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Defo on my list of things to build once the availability is there, but just wait they are bound to add some regs to come in like corgi which will stop you doing any DIY on electric for H&S reasons as it's HV.
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I'm keen to keep right on burning dinosaurs. EVs may be all very well in the city but not practical for me. The real question we need to ask regards the power source for these things. If everyone who drives fossil fuel cars now were to get an EV where does the power come from to charge the batteries? I doubt that most countries' electricity supply networks could handle the increased demand.
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b3nson
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Yes! Only alongside an proper engined retro though. And it would have to be something that could do with losing it's original engine, I.E nothing too special
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2018 9:47:13 GMT by b3nson
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Apr 19, 2018 10:08:30 GMT
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The real question we need to ask regards the power source for these things. If everyone who drives fossil fuel cars now were to get an EV where does the power come from to charge the batteries? I doubt that most countries' electricity supply networks could handle the increased demand. More renewable energy. Everyone could have a big battery at home (or work...or wherever they go) to provide power where they need it. The battery storage would mean renewable energy could be made when it's possible (when it's sunny/windy etc) and stored for when it's needed. Where is everyone going to get a big battery? Here's the twist....it's an electric car. It turns out they might be the solution, rather than the problem. :-) To answer the original question...yes, I'd love an electric classic. I'd love to see a future where they stop making new cars and just convert old ones. Obviously, we'd keep a few originals, it would be terrible to not hear an E-Type, Ferrari, or even that little rasp Morris Minors make between gearchanges, but for day-to-day cars, electric is the future. Mmmm....electric Lincolns. Right now, if I won the lottery...I'd have an old Nissan Caravan with lots of range and plenty of power: Anyway...it's not the future...it's the present :-):
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2018 10:28:09 GMT by rmad
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Apr 19, 2018 10:42:12 GMT
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As an electrical engineering student this is one of my future goals. The technology will eventually become cheaper once design and build methods are established, then the flood gates will start to open for electric vehicle retrofit mods.
I think the current trend for producing small electric city cars is skewing peoples view on electric vehicles. Also things like formula E where they change cars when the battery is flat just reinforces the idea that they are impractical for daily life. A paper I was reading by an American author argued the point that the development of hybrid & electric powered medium utility vehicles, like Ford pickup trucks, which typically had large inefficient petrol V8's, would be more beneficial as these vehicles were hugely popular and actually useful in everyday life.
Electric retro's might help move the image of the electric car away from the dull city shuttle pod or futuristic alien racing car.
Electric xj40 anyone?
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merryck
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Apr 19, 2018 12:20:55 GMT
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So I had an idea a while ago and I'll share it here for you guys to tear apart.
The fun of a retro/classic isn't just the look, the nostalgia or the sound, but the way it drives. An electric motor isn't the same as an engine, there's no torque curve, all the power is there all the time.
My Midget has 75hp on a good day (a very good day downhill). I don't want an electric motor with 200hp in there, that would be terrifying. Not only that but the gearbox wouldn't be able to take the power, so I'd be changing that out too. Now we're getting into the points system and playing with needing to get it tested. That's more money and time and in 10 years I doubt that a Midget will make it through an IVA test.
So my idea is to fit the electric motor to the gearbox and to programme it with a torque curve. Make a 200hp electric motor behave like a 75hp A Series motor.
I just don't know enough about electric motors to do the job.
Other things to consider; You could pump fake engine noises into the cabin while driving to give the driver the ability to change gear based on sound You could convert the tachometer to provide revs for the driver to change gear at the right time You could make an app whereby the driver could select a different torque curve. Want to try a 997 cooper engine? Just select it. a 1440 turbocharged engine? Go for it. The engine from a Fiat 500? Weird, but sure!
Done properly I think it would be a fairly cheap conversion, but it's the cost of the batteries that's the issue, they're still very expensive, and last I heard Tesla doesn't like their cars ending up in scrap yards, so secondhand Tesla batteries are hard to come by.
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Apr 19, 2018 16:06:00 GMT
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Depends on where the electric power is sourced from: solar or nuclear power plants?! There's plenty of Electricity suppliers that only supply renewable electricity (or rather, buy as much as their customers use). Most public chargers have similar ethics. It means, if you're with the right supplier, an electric won't ever use fossil fuels in daily use.
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Apr 19, 2018 17:37:36 GMT
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Brilliant idea for a thread. I totally would do this once conversions seem a little more affordable and the tech is more widespread. Thousands of volts is pretty dangerous so I'd definitely want to be sure the people doing the conversion knew their onions so my bum isn't earthing something I think what I'd love most is a small light day to day car I can charge in a garage, perhaps even with solar combined with a Tesla battery, so once done it basically runs forever (brake pads and cv mounts excluded) So for me that'd be a Mk1 Panda, SuperCinq or Mini. Mk1 Golf Caddy / Skoda Favorit Pickup would be pretty great for trips down the DIY store. Longer legged? I love the idea of a Tesla-salvage swapped T25 or Hiace Camper - all that torque, all the practicality. I'd totally use a van as a daily if electric, and it'd be good for motorway runs too. I also harbour the idea of a Series 3 Landy 110 - I love how they're like kits so would have all the bits to make it pickup / station wagon / open-top / crew-cab and just build it like lego for specific needs. I don't know why but the idea of that seems a lot more appealing with an electric drivetrain. Maybe something about dirtiness?
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Apr 19, 2018 17:49:49 GMT
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NO
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Rob M
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Apr 19, 2018 18:32:45 GMT
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I have zero problems with electric cars and, should somebody want to electrify their Retro, why not! However, why the hell would I want to electrify my Firebird when part and parcel of the driving pleasure I derive from it is to hear the burble of the V8 coming through the exhaust system! That video of the ridiculously fast electric car does not a thing for me, going as fast as I can does not interest me at all, the notion that you can outgun a combustion engine car of several hundred horsepower with a battery powered car does not actually prove any argument or augment a point that electric is a natural, if not better alternative. The driving characteristics of a car are much more that how fast it goes, how smoothly it runs and how efficient it can be. Most classic car fans are into their cars because of the character of the vehicle, not just how it looks. The whine of a gearbox, the tappety sound of a Simca, the parp from the exhaust of a Morris Minor, so many little things that going electric will not compensate for let alone replace. A VW Beetle that no longer clatters and chatters like a Beetle is no longer a Beetle, yes, it looks like one but going electric will evolve it into something new and different. That new and different would not be for me, I will go electric in a modern and lament the times when cars, old cars, were individual in so many more ways than just the physical design. I would quite like a Tesla tbh, I like the shape and the style, I like the idea of near silent, efficient and quick when you need it but I just cannot see me feeling the same way about an electric retro. Each to their own.
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2018 18:34:27 GMT by Rob M
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Apr 19, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
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Oooh oooh oooh I had an idea. UVA Fugitive + direct drive electric motor, or belt driven. Store the batteries in a big black block.
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kabman
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Apr 19, 2018 19:11:33 GMT
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I've driven several plug-in hybrids and EVs and I'm sold. I'd like to convert a Beetle only the present cost puts me off. I'd be all over it for 5k though. Although I'd have no need to if Honda ever make these
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Smiler
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Apr 19, 2018 21:09:44 GMT
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I had lazily pondered an electric Scimitar. Plenty of space for batteries. It would need to have a mappable power delivery as already suggested and I initialy liked the speaker idea to give back some of the noise but in practice I fear it might be a bit naff.
What kind of weight penalty do the batteries give? (saying that, probably not much compared to the original essex lump!)
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2018 21:10:03 GMT by Smiler
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Apr 19, 2018 21:21:54 GMT
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Oooh oooh oooh I had an idea. UVA Fugitive + direct drive electric motor, or belt driven. Store the batteries in a big black block. Funny you should say that... Have motor and controller (and Fugitive of course) but project on hold until batteries get a bit cheaper!
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2018 21:24:23 GMT by wightfug
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vulgalour
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Apr 19, 2018 23:24:38 GMT
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Yes and no. Electric is great if you ilve and drive in an area with decent charging infrastructure. It's great if your standard engine is a bit lacklustre or troublesome. At the moment, fossil fuels are much easier to live with and there isn't really a large enough cost saving on going electric against keeping things factory. Aside from the environmental benefits of electric power (pollution reduction at the vehicle is particularly good for built up areas) and the potential to generate clean energy, financially it doesn't make any sense.
For the mileage most retros do and their respective fuel cost, to get any sort of saving is going to take decades of ownership to offset the cost of conversion so, at the moment, conversion is done because it's interesting and challenging and fun, not because you want to save money. Anyone who converts to electric to save money on fuel is only kidding themselves, really.
Then there's the insurance minefield which is sure to appear because insuring a classic that's even been slightly modified can be a chore (and an expensive one), and getting a modified classic on a regular policy can equally be a chore.
I love the idea of electric retros. I can't see it being a practical proposition for at least another ten years.
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slater
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I'd consider it on my daily when it becomes cheaper than the alternative (and viable, currently I have no where to charge, inadequate range etc.) Pretty sure that will only happen when they literally ban or tax diesel into extinction tho.
Othwerwise I think it will just be a bit boring. It's a battery, motor and some sort of control box at the end of the day. All bought off the shelf and bolted in no doubt. It just doesnt have the complexity to interest me really. All the innovation is in the software or the chemistry of the battery and what not. Stuff that is a bit beyond me or simply doesn't interest me much..
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