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Oooh oooh oooh I had an idea. UVA Fugitive + direct drive electric motor, or belt driven. Store the batteries in a big black block. Funny you should say that... Have motor and controller (and Fugitive of course) but project on hold until batteries get a bit cheaper! I had had a similar thought, forktruck motor onto the beetle gearbox. Then store the batteries somewhere, but decided we should get it going first and save that for version 3 (or something ) But it’s fairly light, and fitting stuff in shouldn’t be hard (as there is very little bodywork to work around). So hardest thing would be to make it unnoticed
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Sorry guys but if I “had” to have an electric retro I would but for me 90% of the retro experience is mechanical. It’s the power delivery and sound of an old school engine. The V8 rumble, straight 6 howl or the bark of a well tuned 4 pot. Even a silky smooth classic Jag is still what it is because of the old XK. I totally get the electric thing in classics now, it’s great! For some.....but it’s not for me.
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GJUK
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No and No. Electric E55 AMG Electric 400 big block Mopar Electric Mk1 race pinto'd Escort car list goes on... I'd drive a daily electric car though - no problem there. Half the fun in an old car is the oil and the engine noise!
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vitessetony
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I've driven several plug-in hybrids and EVs and I'm sold. I'd like to convert a Beetle only the present cost puts me off. I'd be all over it for 5k though. Although I'd have no need to if Honda ever make these Good news for you then because Honda ARE going to make this car! coming to a showroom near you by 2019.
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I'd also say I wouldn't want an electric retro instead of a conventional engine,but as well as.
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Just NO. No way. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Not, no, nee, nyet,não,nein,voch,nahi,non,hapana,Bù,ma ho bu,không, am I clear now
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Darkspeed
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I would chuck the Billy Bob teeth in me gob, throw on the dungerees and head for the wilds to build myself an ethanol still before giving up on IC - Green and mean - Although for the amount I would require anually I would probably set up the home brew and the still in the shed at the bottom of the garden.
I had a hybrid compnay car - IS300h - and I am sold on the concept, which is also why no manufacturers are developing anything other than hybrid and EV cars now. However, for low volume use with IC there are other Green options. Whilst I do like the EV concept and my G15 project would lend itself readily to conversion, whilst there are options with IC with green(er) fuels be they liquid or gas ( Ethanol - Hydrogen) then I will be keeping the faith.
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Not retro quite, but I had seriously considered electrifying this It was made to have fuel tanks between the floors, so could fill with cells. Weight would be low down. Torque is instant. The main concerns I have is finding a gearbox that would handle the torque. Second, the actual current you have is more than enough to kill you. Cost wise it is not actually too bad if compared to a good race engine and gearbox. The really good LiOn batteries can be a bit spendy though. There is a ( I think ) Reliant Kitten drag car that is electric. Thread an old one on here?
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wodge
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No way! The appeal of a 60s/early 70s classic is the noise, the smell, the lack of refinements you get in a modern. Electric power for me would remove what makes it good - i'm not interested in just being seen in a cool car. However in a 80s/90s retro where you are already insulated (more) it makes more sense.
If the range on the latest EVs was a genuine 500 miles at 90 mph i'd already own one but until it is or you can get hot swap batteries its just impractical for me.
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wodge
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The main concerns I have is finding a gearbox I thought the big advantage with electric was the fact that 100% torque is produced from 0 rpm meaning you don't really need multiple gears and associated transmission losses?
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merryck
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Apr 20, 2018 14:56:09 GMT
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You can run it direct drive, but you run into issues of overheating, it's also less efficient, which equals more batteries and therefore cost.
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Apr 20, 2018 23:38:12 GMT
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Never been that interested in ev until I saw the Honda thing, really want one lol.
Had a quick drive of one of the works ev vans and very quickly got a red mark against the tracker, instant acceleration and no noise was weird!
I would like to build a Honda Civic IMA (hybrid) converted mk3 golf next, just because.
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slater
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Hybrid is a whole other kettle.. I can see me fitting some sort of kers system onto a car in the near future if it becomes affordable for someone who isn't an electronics genius... need somthing to go behind gearbox that can brake and power and be mapped into ECU. Can't see it being hard to design etc.
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For my daily commute, a modern EV would be perfect. Just can’t get past two things: Cost and looks. Whoever designed the leaf should be shot. The new one isn’t much better looking either. And over thirty grand for a new one no thanks. I’ll stick to my three grand dailies...
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misteralz
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Absolutely. I live in NL and at a rough guess one car in twenty around here is electric. Our neighbours across the road have a Tesla, and I keep tussling with them around Amsterdam - I'll be doing 140-ish past Schiphol passing stuff in the outside lane with literally nowhere to go and I'll still have a blue-plated Model S hard up my . Last year we drove down to Croatia for the summer and deep into Slovenia we were being passed by Scandinavian-plated Model Ss doing 150. Just think about that for a moment. Nearly at the Adriatic and being passed by electric vehicles who are 1,000km or more from home and have had to cross Germany to get there. A country still absolutely in love with petrol. Range is not a problem. Electricity micro-generation is not a problem. Necessity, mother, invention, and all that. We're staying here for the forseeable future, so I'll probably end up in a Golf GTE if they ever make a three door one. Now, electrificating a retro. Yes, but with reservations. That 911 is an abomination - so much of the aircooled 911 experience is down to that flat six bark. It's utterly addictive. The central rev counter, too. Imagine tearing up a back road watching that do nothing? So replacing characterful engines is out for me. An electric motor in a DS, though? An early T4 camper? A mk1 Twingo? Yes, Yes, YES!
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Apr 21, 2018 17:54:23 GMT
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I would rather do it the other way IE I would rather have an electric car as my every day car if it meant I could still drive my turbocharged V8 Volvo
Yes the torque from electric is excellent so performance will be better than any petrol engine I'm likely to put in my Volvo But the range is questionable "at the moment " as technology gets better I'm sure that will improve
But performance is only one part of way we own there's "retro" cars What about the noise!!!! I was trying to explain to someone the other day the different noises a turbo makes as you put your foot down Now my car being a V8 you start of with the unmistakable V8 burble then as the turbo starts to spool you get a high pitched whistle followed by the whooshing of air and then as you shut the throttle off to grab the next gear you get the noise from the dump valve You just don't get bored of that Not to mention the smell of a hot engine and. The high from the unburnt fuel thats much better than the smell of a scalelectric car
I see an electric E-Type jag the other day pop up on Facebook now it still looks the same so a stunning car And I'm sure it would be more reliable and faster But isn't the sound of that straight 6 engine as important to the driving experience as its styling and performance ?
I think it would be different if it was say a Mercedes 126 S Class where the drive is more important than the noise !
Certainly at the moment with today's technology I wouldn't even consider it
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1992 240 Volvo T8 1955 Cadillac 1994 BMW E34 M5 (now sold ) 1999 BMW E36 sport touring x2 1967 Hillman imp Californian "rally spec" 1971 VW bay window (work in progress) 1999 Mazda 323F 1987 Jaguar XJ12 All current
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This is one of the reasons I bought my scimitar. For now it’s diesel, but I’d like to go electric and this it an ideal car. Rear drive, separate chassis, lots of room in the front, and rear. No problems legally with body mods, and cradles could easily fit between chassis. Big tunnel for motor. And cool.
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I've mulled over this quite a few times over the previous months. I'm waiting on guy who might sell me his tired, non running 205 GTi which I had thoughts of converting to electric but then the chances are it would be worth a lot more if it was standard. I've also been offered a Cobra replica body-shell and chassis at a very good price which would be a fantastic ev project but as mentioned already, the costs are still way too high and having to pay someone else to do it would be prohibitive (I'm lost with electrickery and would end up with chars and burns all over me, lol). Yes, a Cobra should shake and burble and be extremely loud when floored but I still think it would be epic. A quick Google shows it's already been done - Cobra with a Tesla Electric MotorWatch the vid. The acceleration on the straights is phenomenal
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brachunky
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Watching the Cobra gives one a full appreciation of how damn quick they can be! I have completely mixed feelings about ev retro's at this point in that the like's of a VW Beetle, a kit car and even the humble Moggy would be ok in my garage but even after watching the vid, I can't imagine a Cobra,Mustang or any other muscle car with it's vocal chords being cut out.
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Would I... Pic is of a 1st series Fiat 600 I just picked up. Converted to electric. Being an older conversion it will be as exciting as an old milkfloat, and I have no desire to try and get it running ( as well as rust and other problems) But it will donate its suspension , brakes and wheels for an other project I'm planning... ( 4 wheel finned aluminum drumbrakes! )
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