v8ian
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Sept 4, 2013 20:11:15 GMT
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Thinking outside the box here, Bike Engined cars---- who makes big capacity single air/oil cooled engines?  , cant be water cooled, might be something radical happening in my mind.--- |
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 4, 2013 20:20:19 GMT
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Suzuki Bandit springs to mind. Comes in 1200 flavour
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Sept 4, 2013 20:33:28 GMT
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Bandit 1200 would be cheap and make good power  but it's an inline 4 though? Not a single. I cant think of any air cooled singles bigger than 650cc, as used in a few old dirt bikes like the Suzuki Freewind but they don't make much power, about 50hp. If you were to look at air cooler twins, much closer to the experience of a single than the inline 4, then you can get engines for Harleys upto 2L. This is what is used in the new Morgan 3 wheeler. Personally I'd be temped to look at the biggest air cooled Ducati twins though... oooh the noise! |
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 4, 2013 20:37:45 GMT
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Ahhh, having re-read the title, I missed the point that he wants a single!
Can't really think why tho, wouldn't be a great power plant. Your suggestion of a Duke twin sounds like a plan tho. Or a Guzzi, but i can't see any of them turning up at sensible money
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v8ian
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Sept 4, 2013 20:41:08 GMT
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Bandit 1200 would be cheap and make good power but it's an inline 4 though? Not a single. I cant think of any air cooled singles bigger than 650cc, as used in a few old dirt bikes like the Suzuki Freewind but they don't make much power, about 50hp. If you were to look at air cooler twins, much closer to the experience of a single than the inline 4, then you can get engines for Harleys upto 2L. This is what is used in the new Morgan 3 wheeler. Personally I'd be temped to look at the biggest air cooled Ducati twins though... oooh the noise! I'm putting a Suzuki TL1000r in an austin seven, made me even more certain its the right choice after been overtaken and following a TL today, Just the noise made the hairs on my neck stand to attention, Hard as fook,  |
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Sept 4, 2013 20:47:03 GMT
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Suzuki DR BIG 800cc single dirt bike - thats the biggest thing I can think of off hand - failing that I've got several KTM 495 MX engines in bits.....
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Sept 4, 2013 22:05:19 GMT
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Ah forgot about the old dr800! I know bmw do some monster big singles but they're water cooled. TL1000R engined car would be fun!  I've often wondered why people don't fit big twins to cars instead of inline 4 bike engines as the torque figures have gotta make it more useable? I still think the Ducat twin would win on noise over the TL though  The clutch chatter, the big lumpy single sort of sound off the bottom end, then the roar as it starts to come together, finally turning into wail in the last few thousand RPM before the red line. I miss the sound on my 748 more than anything. |
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Sept 4, 2013 23:03:53 GMT
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Get onto any of the old supermono boys.
Lots of Rotax singles out of armstrong mod bikes.
Dr800 wias about the best air cooled single but some of the old xtz Yamaha engines were pretty rapid too!
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Sounds like it'll be a mini version of this  The Thunderbug - a GN with 4.2 litre V-twin |
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Is wandering from the thread slightly but TL1000's are always going to be pretty cheap given the awful rep for tank slappers they got when they first came out
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v8ian
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TL1000S seem to be cheaper, but the TL1000Rs I believe had frame changes and injection which made them a bit better, and not so lightly to spit you off coming off a bend, I was always thought it was something to do with 135 ft lbs of torque spinning up the rear wheel that was the problem. just about to start on this with a vengeance in the next couple of weeks.  retrorides.proboards.com/thread/151994/oh-dear |
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Unless your car weighs less than 300kg, it's going to be terribly slow with a 650cc single on it!
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Sept 5, 2013 10:26:10 GMT
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My bike has a 650 single in it and it isn't very quick The KTM lc4 is probably the best single available at the moment, 690cc and about 60bhp but it is liquid cooled... hence the 'lc' bit. |
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Sept 5, 2013 10:48:16 GMT
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TL1000S seem to be cheaper, but the TL1000Rs I believe had frame changes and injection which made them a bit better, and not so lightly to spit you off coming off a bend, I was always thought it was something to do with 135 ft lbs of torque spinning up the rear wheel that was the problem. I knew people who bought them at the time when they were new and they thought it was more likely to be rider inspired error than anything inherantly wrong with the design, I only had a brief spin so couldn't really comment. I remember there was a brisk trade in steering dampers though. |
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Sept 5, 2013 10:52:07 GMT
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Gilera nordwest 600. The orginal super moto, but its liquid cooled. Got one sat in my garage....
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Its not broken, its resting!
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Sept 5, 2013 13:36:37 GMT
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We have a KTM 690 LC4 engine making 90hp but that's after throwing a lot of money at it.
Also have a 450 honda CRF motor making 62 hp.
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Sept 5, 2013 13:58:01 GMT
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What about going 2 stroke? An aircooled 500cc MX engine should be good for 50hp+ as standard obviously you are going to need something light to put it into or its just wasted
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Sept 5, 2013 15:51:32 GMT
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Are the Jawa speedway type engines suitable, albeit, only 500cc ?
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Sept 5, 2013 22:24:10 GMT
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I knew people who bought them at the time when they were new and they thought it was more likely to be rider inspired error than anything inherantly wrong with the design, I only had a brief spin so couldn't really comment. I remember there was a brisk trade in steering dampers though. The oddball rotary damper at the rear had plenty to do with it. To get one to behave on a track day, one trick I heard was to bounce up and down on the bike for a while first to warm and thin the oil inside. I've had a go on a couple of TLs and found both pretty evil. I see plenty commuting in London though so they can't all be bad. And they sound really good on open pipes. I seem to recall a while ago, one magazine ran a series on building a KLR650 for maximum HP. I think they bored it out as far as possible taking it to over 700cc and got something like 60BHP out of it. |
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Last Edit: Sept 5, 2013 22:40:55 GMT by Clamity
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Thinking outside the box here, Bike Engined cars---- who makes big capacity single air/oil cooled engines? , cant be water cooled, might be something radical happening in my mind.--- I can't think of anything bigger in capacity than a cr500 if you're insisting on Air-cooling? And that'd suck in a car conversion.. There is this one but it's not exactly commercially available If you allow water cooling then the DR800 (Dr Big) as mentioned is the biggest single, but event that is only around 52bhp / 58Nm.. A Yamaha XT660 might be more powerful? |
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, cant be water cooled, might be something radical happening in my mind.--- 
but it's an inline 4 though? Not a single. I cant think of any air cooled singles bigger than 650cc, as used in a few old dirt bikes like the Suzuki Freewind but they don't make much power, about 50hp. 
I've often wondered why people don't fit big twins to cars instead of inline 4 bike engines as the torque figures have gotta make it more useable?
The clutch chatter, the big lumpy single sort of sound off the bottom end, then the roar as it starts to come together, finally turning into wail in the last few thousand RPM before the red line. I miss the sound on my 748 more than anything. 
