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Great - the drifting nutters use them so they must be safe. That's logic for you.
And you can't compare motorsport to road use - slicks are used in motorsport. But does that make them safe for roads? - the answer to that is no, by the way.....
Just because people have been doing it for years, it doesn't mean it's a safe or sane thing to do.
It's currently a 'cool' thing to do, despite it being totally pointless and more than slightly dodgy when it comes to insurance.
Like I say, that's my view on the subject, it's one you're not going to change. There's no point in arguing about it.
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Prius T-Spirit, Alfa 156 Sportwagon, Alfa 75 TSpark Veloce, Mazda MX-5 1.8iS Honda VFR750FT, Ducati 750SS, BMW R100RT, Hongdou GY200
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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twinspark, have you ever driven a lowrider? how do you know they're unsafe for british roads? I don't rememebr having any trouble in this- even in though in that pic its parked on the chassis rails and not the tyres...... it also hopped the front wheels about 8" in the air. was probably the safest car ive had though. seems as though you have about as much experience of lowriders as you do of stretching tyres
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Last Edit: Feb 1, 2007 23:09:48 GMT by Dez
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Great - the drifting nutters use them so they must be safe. That's logic for you. Nutters? Nowt like preconceptions, eh? All motorsport uses slicks? Wow...That really is news to me... Right...If people have been doing it for years and have suffered no ill effects it is unsafe...? Sorry...Your logic simply astounds me. It seems to amount to "Your head will explode if you sneeze with your eyes open! Just because people have been sneezing with their eyes open for centuries doesn't mean you won't die!" No...It has a definite point. Source? Or is this simply more of your world-class assumptive reckoning? True. It would be like trying to convince Hitler that Jews are a bit of a laugh... *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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I'd be very interested to know how a lowrider, at 'normal' cruising height, on stretched tyres, would handle a sudden direction change on the motorway.
My guess is 'not very well'.
WTF is the obsession with curse word up cars for the sake of fashion?
I know some stuff is wibblepoo from the factory, but to deliberately make a car wibblepoo to look cool just doesn't make any sense at all.
It's not just me that has concerns about stretched tyres, a bit of digging around reveals that a couple of tyre manufacturer associations have also expressed serious concerns.
I *really* don't want to argue, 'cos it's all down to personal perception - I've driven bog-standard road cars that I have considered to be unsafe from the factory.
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It's not just me that has concerns about stretched tyres, a bit of digging around reveals that a couple of tyre manufacturer associations have also expressed serious concerns. Links? *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Great - the drifting nutters use them so they must be safe. That's logic for you. Nutters? Nowt like preconceptions, eh? All motorsport uses slicks? Wow...That really is news to me... Right...If people have been doing it for years and have suffered no ill effects it is unsafe...? Sorry...Your logic simply astounds me. It seems to amount to "Your head will explode if you sneeze with your eyes open! Just because people have been sneezing with their eyes open for centuries doesn't mean you won't die!" No...It has a definite point. Source? Or is this simply more of your world-class assumptive reckoning? True. It would be like trying to convince Hitler that Jews are a bit of a laugh... *n The logic of sticking tyres onto a rim that are obviously undersized astounds me, too. I mean, in the most extreme examples you're flexing a sidewall in the opposite direction to the design spec. There are recommended specs for all tyres and rims - if you exceed that spec. then an insurance assessor is likely to use it as a 'get out' on any claim, as an 'unsafe modification'. However, you've instantly lost this one under the rules of Godwin's law. I have nothing more to say on the subject.
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Prius T-Spirit, Alfa 156 Sportwagon, Alfa 75 TSpark Veloce, Mazda MX-5 1.8iS Honda VFR750FT, Ducati 750SS, BMW R100RT, Hongdou GY200
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Great - the drifting nutters use them so they must be safe. That's logic for you. And you can't compare motorsport to road use - slicks are used in motorsport. But does that make them safe for roads? - the answer to that is no, by the way..... Just because people have been doing it for years, it doesn't mean it's a safe or sane thing to do. Drift nutters? stirling moss loves a drift, hes not too much of a nutter! I think that the drift scene shows that stretched tyres can take massive abuse and come out on top, compare that to a road car and its never going to see the same kind of action. As for slicks not being safe on the road, slicks are safer than treaded tyres on the road untill it gets wet, even then they still have more grip up untill the point of water saturation and aquaplaning. In theory a stretched tyre should provide mroe stability than a tyre larger than its rim, due to the load transfer going straight down the site wall rather than rolling the sidewall over. J
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Well another healty debate, well as healthy as anybody normal can be after the festive period. I'm enjoying reading the pros and cons here. i'd be interested to research into it, maybe I will at some point, in the mean time anyone like 'john' about? he does safety, yeah? Way I look at in head theory, I agree with Nutty professor above (soz J ;D ) , the tyre has hardly anywhere to go so will likely stay put and not roll like my factory 195/60/14's over 5.5 will. making these tyres ideal for drifting, and motorsport, so you know youll skid and how it will work, applied to the road with caution of the change in handling it should be fine. I'll admit the mega stretchers do worry me but only cos I like my stuff over built. paranoid about stuff breaking! generally. All friends together. on with the debate. JOHN? PS it looks cool, but like jeans, will skinny rims come back Actually, i'm serious its bound to be next!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Big hugs
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Just remembered, drifters run stretched tyres to get a stiffer sidewall, to avoid the tyre from, ehh, "leaning over" if you understand (or catch my drift, pun intended ;D ) But you MUST have enough pressure in a stretched tyre, to avoid it loosing air..
Oh, and dez, that lowrider is the ISH! Got any more pictures? It made me change my mind about asking a local dude about his 65 Impala 4-door..
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Last Edit: Feb 2, 2007 1:47:09 GMT by Deleted
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Yeah forgot to say that lowrider looks great! Its all similar to the big wheels debate as TS commented on, after seeing some Sierra fitment 17x7, and 8's come up for sale i had to try and establish if this would trash the handling or not, i'm still not sure, so hanging on to see how i cope with rubber attached to my 16's on the track/road first. That lower pro rubber makes it easier to drift or jump about over rough roads IMO. which is good if ya ready for it and thats what ya after.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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you get a little bit more tramlining from stretched tires. and whats the problem with 18inch wheels on a corsa? curious to no how well you on a bike at a decent speed you would handle a direction change on a motorway,say you hit standing water? if you drive standard road cars why are you here? "retro-rides,the modified clasic car forum" in the euro scene one of the 1st mods is wide wheels and streched tires,but how many euro styled cars do you see by the side of the road upside down due to blown tires,more often than not its joe public who have bought cheep curse word tires or remolds. sory to have a rant on. and on that note 7x13's on ma van with a nice stretch. ;D just need to find some nice rims
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I had 155s on 5.5 x 13s fitted to my Sprite - looked great ;D Sadly still scrubbed like hell on the rear aches next to a 145 on a 3.5x13 (stock rims) - scrubbed sidewalls also visible. Must get that f*#@ing car fixed &n back on the road....
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Soley to keep the peace, i noticed this on the home page the other day. I imagine the Admin hope that Retro-rides is inclusive, not exclusive. (did i get that right way round!!!! LOLz) after all we're all misfits on here!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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spud
Part of things
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Peace people everyone to there own. Just got my 195 toyo's fitted to a 8x14 rim will only be for summer/show as i have 195 for my 7x15 winter/trackdays. Now more pics of the streeeeetch
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Now I'm getting a bit more ballsey after driving the Polo as my daily for a couple of days my opinion of what they do to the handling is changing (for the better ;D ). I'm experimenting with the pressures at the moment - they're at stock pressure.
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Also another point,.. the lack of stretch on the tyre on my old pug 309 didn't stop it from shredding in the outside lane of the M4 at 70 (and yes there was lots of grip still on it... still don't know what happened)...
Accidents happen, you try not to put yourself in a position for them to happen more... but to me driving fast on normal roads (instead of the track) is much more dangerous than stretching tyres.... but I suspect most people here have done it...
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Never had any problems with 190/50/13 over an 8 on the 1000:
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Why people with welders shouldn't be allowed recreational drugs
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