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Dec 19, 2012 19:05:32 GMT
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hi folks, thought I would start up a diary thread for the third member of the "fleet". i'm a bit behind with the diary in terms of ownership so plenty of meat for updates. I'd been thinking about a new vehicle to knock about in after selling the polo and wanting the cosset the astra GTE for the future. the criteria were old, british, basic, easy to work on, rugged, reliable, utilitarian, park it anyway, drive it anywhere, good parts availability, a good enthusiast following. at a push austin mini, but was expressly forbidden for reasons I wont go into, which basically left land rover then ! I like a good project too so it didn’t have to be anywhere near perfect, just as long as it had MOT and tax. as is usually the case with me I buy the first thing I see, and the one that is geographically closest. then spend the next few years of expendable income convincing myself it was a good idea. but i've lucked out twice with a couple of rare motors, including this one which I didnt realise at the time. these are unassuming ebay pictures, just a 10 minute drive from my place. year 1984, 7 seats (well six and anyone under 4 foot that likes a gear stick between their legs), 2.25 petrol engine, a years MOT from stevie wonder motors, and I got them to put a years ticket on it to save me the bother, and in a ditch attempt to make sure the MOT cert was real
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2013 13:49:57 GMT by darrenh
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Dec 19, 2012 19:17:07 GMT
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i've lucked out twice with a couple of rare motors, including this one which I didnt realise at the time. so yeah, a bit more on that. after rapidly gobbling up all the darren screen names on various land rover forums I learned that BMIHT (british motor industry heritage trust, breath) keep all the old hand written factory ledgers from all the classic british car manufacturers like austin, mg, rover, leyland etc. i'd already learned that as an A plate this was quite an early vehicle, the one-ten long wheel base was release in 1983, and the ninety short wheel base like mine came out in '84. the 2.25 petrol was only used in the swb for a year so its fairly rare at that. I contacted BMIHT with their online service, for a small fee they will give you some of the ledger entries for your vehicle based on chassis and engine numbers. or for allot of cash you can get a posh certificate with everything from who built it, to what colour seats it had. so anyway I emailed them with the details and it came back as build date 26th may 1984, chassis no. 20! ooooh ! the ninety wasnt launched until june 1984....
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Last Edit: Dec 19, 2012 19:18:42 GMT by darrenh
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10mpg
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Dec 19, 2012 20:40:16 GMT
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Very nice, i like an early 90, so was it a demonstrator or a press vehicle?
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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marsie
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Dec 19, 2012 21:36:48 GMT
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nice, currently rebuilding a coil sprung factory 100" that was built in 77 for the swiss army despite working on them everyday,everyweek i still love landrovers and currently own a very modded 2000 td5 90 and a rangerover. Keep the pics coming Paul
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Some people are like slinkies? They serve no real purpose in life but make you smile if you push them down the stairs!
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Dec 19, 2012 21:52:48 GMT
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90's are awesome, an itch I have yet to scratch! nice, currently rebuilding a coil sprung factory 100" that was built in 77 for the swiss army despite working on them everyday,everyweek I still love landrovers and currently own a very modded 2000 td5 90 and a rangerover. Keep the pics coming Paul Is there a thread on this?
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ChasR
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Dec 19, 2012 22:00:02 GMT
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That is a lovely looking Ninety. IIRC most press cars Land rover used tended to have number plates which ended in WAC (or simply AC signifying a Coventry registered car .
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thanks not a press car unfortunately, just an early one as they gather production before release i guess. the first owner was a caravan site in bridport, dorset, so it was commercial vehicle and was regular body (no rear windows or seats in back) those were added in the 1990s. i know howmanyleft is a bit pinch of salt, but it says there are only 2 of these, it had 44,000 miles when i bought it, from serial numbers on engine, chassis, axles, gearbox they are all of an age they could be original (engine certainly is) as it turned out, my inexperience and bravado it has turned out to be fair rotten (hence the quip about the MOT) infact it still had obvious faults that were on a fail sheet 4 months before the clean bill i bought it with. i shall update with the horrors soon !
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Dec 20, 2012 19:26:41 GMT
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after the purchase and I drove the landy home the plan was to go through it and make a list of what needed sorting, then get the day to day problems fixed. even on the very first drive home it had my cards marked, I was left stranded at halfords with zero effort on the starter motor. the alternator looked like it had spent 20 years at the bottom of coniston and wasnt charging, at all. the other thing immediately obvious under the bonnet is that the standard air cleaner had been deleted and replaced with a cotton JR version, direct to the carb elbow. I found a brand new old stock air cleaner on ebay for pittance (richards surplus iirc) and a new inlet hose to join them up. you can see all 3 new items here so now we had clean air, and some electricity. next thing I noticed was the gear stick gaiter was aged and torn, hell of allot of road noise and transmission whine filling the already spartan interior. I got a new one from land rover stock and my long term relationship with lrseries was in its infancy. in the picture below you can also see a new couple of gear knobs as the old ones were using gravity as glue. the next problem on the list was a severe knocking noise when going over lumps and bumps, it seemed to do it on suspension compression and extension, I had a hunch from previous experience it was the dampers a quick look in the engine bay I could see the shock absorbers bobbing up and down in the turrets with what appeared to be liquorice as bushing material. all efforts to undo the vaguely hexagonal blobs holding them on were futile and I ended up unbolting the entire turret (helpfully removable on LR's). despite this and given the visible state of the damper tubes I decided to replace with new (an irritating pattern you will start to notice) the bottom nut I managed to get off with brute force. I put a ring spanner jammed against the axle, then rotated the body of the damper with stilsons + a length of pole over the end the top two lock nuts I just sliced off to break the rust seal, the remains came undone with a spanner ok satisfying positive diagnosis! heres one reassembled with new gen LR shocks
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Last Edit: Dec 20, 2012 19:28:43 GMT by darrenh
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Dec 20, 2012 19:49:01 GMT
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I confess the next thing I did was a modification, rather than necessity. even though I did my C+G on old austin engines, I still find points and condensors a bit of unecessary black art these days. I decided to swap out the standard ducillier distributor with an electronic hall sensor driven version. there are many companies who make these, some a few quid conversion, others expensive kits. obviously I did none of these ;D instead I went to trusted h+h ignition solutions who sell a breakerless kitt for not terrible money. it consists of new replacement distributor (in lucas 45D style), new high power coil, and a small loom to join the two the swap was fairly easy, I got the engine to TDC on cyl1, stripped and unbolted the old distributor to slide it out of the block the coil was a straight swap for the standard item on the bulkhead then slide the new distributor down into the block, this is fairly idiot proof as the drive dog is offset and can only fit one way. despite this it appeared my rotor arm was now 180 degrees out. I couldve taken the roll pin out of the drive dog and reversed it, but a couple of leads swapped on the cap is way simpler and quicker. here it is fitted and the leads rearanged on the cap, the engine was at tdc of cyl1 so just begain with the electrode the rotor arm was pointing at, then using firing order 1-3-4-2 and knowing the rotor turns anticlockwise, real easy to plug them home in correct order last thing to do was to dig out the gunson strobe light from dads garage, not seen the light of day since his sierra! blob of tippex on the crank marker and a quick twizzle on the distributor body to get roughly 6 deg BTDC. last on the engine treatments was to take the rocker cover off, set the valve clearances, also it would be rude not to give the cover a clean up. looks a bit stupid tbh, all the shiney bits when the rest of the engine bay looks like a tug boat
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Last Edit: Dec 20, 2012 19:56:43 GMT by darrenh
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sj4x4
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Dec 21, 2012 12:33:11 GMT
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Are you planning to keep the 2.25 petrol ?
Can't remember the last time I saw one.
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Dec 21, 2012 13:27:05 GMT
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yeah think so. its a bit of a heart versus mind thing though, 15mpg and 74bhp in a 1.6 tonne vehicle is not a great deal of fun
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Dec 21, 2012 17:18:52 GMT
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another thing way down the "to do" list was examine the exhaust, it looked a little worse for wear. it had that sort of thinning and pitting where the steel almost goes purple. it lasted a couple of months and then got bumped to priority 1 when it started blowing from the rear box. credit where its due, the seller of this vehicle must have had a logistical nightmare getting every component on the brink of catastrophic failure. as far as i can tell these systems are NLS from land rover, but you can get pattern aftermarket ones and also stainless versions. not surprising i got few recommendations given the engine+vehicle combo so i just bit the bullet and got a stainless one. the ethos of buy cheap buy twice ringing in my ears. it was from rimmer brothers bit i think might be rebadged " double S" system. this is dissasembling from the exhaust manifold and at various stages of undress. i ended up using an angle grinder with slitting disks to zip the old nuts off, and in one case just slice the actual exhaust tube. in the third pic you can see the cause of the blowing, it had torn completely from the rear silencer here it is laid out section by section with the rimmber brothers system. i'll give them their dues, the system fitted perfectly, good construction and attention to detail. it came with a fitting kit too which had every nut, bolt, gasket and rubber hanger for the job. and the pictures below of the job completed, i didnt hit any snags, it all went on like a glove. its such a joy to work on a vehicle you don't have to jack up, just literally wriggle under on your back with plenty of head room
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Dec 24, 2012 12:27:30 GMT
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as standard the engine came with a renewable paper oil filter which you install inside a large metal canister. it has three O rings and a long bolt through the middle and sometimes fiddly to install and get oil tight. "luckily", due to rover penny pinching the engine block hasnt radically altered for roughly 35 years. so this means the "spin off" filter and adapter from the later 2.5 engine can be retrofitted. makes getting parts way easier, and doing oil changes much easier ! couple of pictures, asside from a new gasket its pretty much a 2 bolt swap
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sj4x4
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Dec 24, 2012 12:31:53 GMT
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yeah think so. its a bit of a heart versus mind thing though, 15mpg and 74bhp in a 1.6 tonne vehicle is not a great deal of fun V8 will have a similar thirst
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Dec 24, 2012 14:05:59 GMT
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Very nice ... i really really want another one (yes i know living with one everyday is an aquired taste ....) Got to agree with the comment about not having to jack em up to work on them ....
I sliced off all my old shocks with a recip saw, the old nuts abused the priviledge of being rusted on ......
now you want to fit a Rover 'T'series turbo into it ......
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Dec 24, 2012 15:52:57 GMT
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haha yes to both. my advice to everyone else has always been engine donor is cheapest way for power, which is fact, but i'm yet to practice what i preach !
got a plan formulating though which doesnt deviate too far from originality, they carried on developing the 2.25/2.5 petrol engine in south america. over the years sprouted longer legs to 2.8L with 200tdi levels of performance...
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Dec 24, 2012 16:52:11 GMT
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haha yes to both. my advice to everyone else has always been engine donor is cheapest way for power, which is fact, but i'm yet to practice what I preach ! got a plan formulating though which doesnt deviate too far from originality, they carried on developing the 2.25/2.5 petrol engine in south america. over the years sprouted longer legs to 2.8L with 200tdi levels of performance... You sir are a man after my own heart!
I fitted a 2.5 petrol to my 109" And am sticking with a rebuilt 2.25 diesel in my 88"
While I'm a Steadfast Series girl, I do quite like the early coilers, the pre-defender ones
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Violet, purple-loving Landy obsessed Purple-haired CyberPunk Almost model & occasional word wrangler regarding Landies xXxIf she can't decide on what kind of genitalia she likes to play with you're better off without her. Move on... play with Land-Rovers.
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Dec 24, 2012 17:55:07 GMT
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hey thanks do you have threads for them? i think i only remember your imp.
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Violet Vivid
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Dec 24, 2012 19:33:35 GMT
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Violet, purple-loving Landy obsessed Purple-haired CyberPunk Almost model & occasional word wrangler regarding Landies xXxIf she can't decide on what kind of genitalia she likes to play with you're better off without her. Move on... play with Land-Rovers.
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sowen
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Dec 24, 2012 20:26:32 GMT
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haha yes to both. my advice to everyone else has always been engine donor is cheapest way for power, which is fact, but i'm yet to practice what I preach ! got a plan formulating though which doesnt deviate too far from originality, they carried on developing the 2.25/2.5 petrol engine in south america. over the years sprouted longer legs to 2.8L with 200tdi levels of performance... That sounds like an interesting plan, so is there a 2.8 petrol variant, I know there's the TGV 2.8tdi? I've wondered about the old 2.25 and 2.5 petrols if they could be slightly modernised with fuel injection and coilpacks, possbily even forced induction for added pep
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