Seth
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I bought the first few issues of Retro Cars but it was one too many magazines on the monthly bill really. Even after finding this place I've only bought it a couple of times. So I won't miss it. I'm not convinced it would be a good idea for anyone to buy the name as it seems to have aquired quite a bit of negativity from what I read on here and starting afresh would be better in my mind. I presume Classics is still going? And while the Santa Pod show wasn't started by them they were certainly involved this year. On the more general print vs on-line mag "thing" I can definitely see a place for on-line magazines particularly those that haev a younger niche market but can never see it taking over completely. C&SC on-line! I doubt it!
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Not everyone even has a PC or a mobile phone.
And those that do, not all have 3G, broadband, etc.
If Street Machine were published again, I'd buy it. I loved it, I understand why the move to American Car World was made, I know the move from the SM title was forced on them but I'm sure they could have done something other than ACW... I warned RN that a lot of readers would fall by the way side, he offered to refund my subscription fee in fact. I kept with ACW until my SM subscription expired but I was not inspired to renew and haven't bought an issue since. However they have picked up plenty of other readers to replace me and the others who've given up since the death of Street Machine.
I don't know why but I don't like British produced American car titles. Even ACW doesn't grab me. But i could read every single US printed title. Heck last time I was in the US I was even reading GM High Tech Performance and Truckin'
Don't even get me started on Classic American...
EDIT: I also am a person who prefers to won the CD than the MP3s. I have never bought MP3s, I buy CDs and rip them, I borrow CDs and copy them. Same as I used to tape my mates LPs.
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2006 9:39:43 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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On the more general print vs on-line mag "thing" I can definitely see a place for on-line magazines particularly those that haev a younger niche market poll time?
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86 Renault 5 GT Turbo 89 Renault extra 91 Skyline GTR 98 Mini 1275 mpi 99 Autech Rider www.gtturbo.org
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The problem with a mag being completely on-line is there is no substantial revenue - the thing that pays the wages of those actually producing the mag! I may well be wrong/ignorant here - educate me there must be ways you can generate revenue off the web. But then in my experience, people will always find ways of down loading content without paying for it - do that and it kills the reason for people doing it in the first place surely? Web revenue is a very, very easy thing to accomplish. It is also more thorough and appropriate than mag ads; each page with targeted adverts relevent to the page at hand. Got an article on tuning modern Twinks? A column on the left with ads for relevant tuning companies. BUT a lot of companies go 'OMG! ADVERTS = MONEY!!!' and plaster them everywhere...which results in a drop in readership. The key is targeted, subtle advertisements which are NEVER intrusive. If your site has a single pop-up advertisement, I won't visit it any more. It's that simple. Personally, if I had the say in how to structure a web mag, I'd say have each article available seperately at a low cost, each issue available at a slightly higher cost and subscribers who can have free access to all current and previous articles/issues. Present each article/issue as a secure, MD5hash-accessed web page; you need to register to view anything. As David noted - £80 buys you an unlimited bandwidth site. One person to maintain the site framework. Writers can upload information easily and just drop it into the existing framework after clearance by the Editor. One or two people to manage ads. Overheads? Scant - writers can work from home or on the move meaning that you can get coverage much easier and cheaper than sending out a man and a cameraman from a central office to the other end of the country. This also means that You can include those 'wish' cars - the Hilmersson Racing Manta for example. Cheap flights, local photographers. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Believe it or not the people that have REALLY lead the way with this is the porn industry, website revenue > magazine revenue for them now.I believe it. Its a little known fact that the two biggest drivers of technology almost since the dawn of time have been: 1. Military 2. Pornography I've read a couple of good theses on this, and a few articles on why its impossible to "stop" internet porn because thats one of the biggest reasons the internet is there, in fact 35% of the worlds "Port 80" traffic is smut. The people who invested the money for colour litho back in the day were not Newsweek or the Times, it was Playboy and the other smut mags which came before it. Multi-angle DVD - well, guess which movies make use of that? I forget the number of decimal points but 99.9999 something % of movies with that enabled are mucky ones. In total DVD sales sports titles use it too, but still on sales its something like 95% grot. And Poloroid cameras, LOL...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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In other news online magazines are significantly cheaper to buy as well,.. no printing overhead = more profit from each magazine = lower sale cost netting same profit.. so instead of your £3.50-£4 or more you can get professionall produced online magazines for £1-£2 an issue.
The point is that this isn't the current situation, this is the future situation, 2-3 years at least... 3 years ago if you had told someone that there would be number one singles from downloads alone, they would have scoffed at you. yet this year it has happened a number of times.
As I said the mainstream magazine industry is behind the porn industry,.. by about 4-5 years.
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C&SC on-line! I doubt it! O RLY? From Haymarket (publisher of C&SC) : "Outlook We have seen a four-fold increase in our digital media revenues since 2002 and there is no doubt that the biggest challenge of 2006 and beyond is seizing the opportunity presented by the new digital media platforms. Haymarket will be investing a large part of available funds in such activities. We already have a number of highly profitable online sites, some of which will be as profitable as their parent magazine before long. Our flagship consumer product, whatcar.com has been constantly expanding its portfolio of activities. Its innovative digital services include WhatCar? TV, a new service that has launched exclusively on Home Choice, video road test reviews and online reporting from major motor shows. Stuff, the magazine for the digital generation, has also been expanding its digital activities, with its podcast making it into the iTunes Top 40. The digital age is transforming the media marketplace and significant parts of the publishing industry are migrating to the new media world. Our knowledge and deep understanding of the market sectors in which we operate, our track record of extending our print brands into new areas and the special relationship we have with our readers, makes us ideally equipped to prosper in this exciting new environment."
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Seth
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I'm tempted to go stick one of those owl images up here!
I can see why Haymarket would chase digital possibilities with the two titles mantioned but I'd take a bet that their "knowledge and deep understanding of the market sectors in which we operate" would keep C&SC as a high quality printed magazine. I for one wouldn't want it electronically even if it meant paying twice as much for the same content t have it on the coffee table....
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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I think an important point is that I (and many, many others) refuse to pay money for 'tech' mags. What's the point where there are innumerate free-to-read sites online which provide more specialised, more general, less biased-for-the-advertisers content than anything in paper.
Will an exodus to online media prompt a dilution of quality and content over a greater number of sites?
*n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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aye, the thing which differentiartes magazines from online sites is, well, they are magazines. Plenty of free tech out there. I don;t like the flashy "glossy" websites. I just want easy to read text on a plain background. So long as its factually correct (and thats something the magazines don't always manage) and the level of English is good, I'm down with it. I'd be pressed to subscribe to an online magazine. Ask me again in a few years maybe...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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cant we just all get together and do a "co-oprative" CaRS at pod or shaky etc?? just an idea but I'm up for a bit of organising........ we all know the market is there and if CaRS is no more then it seams a good at time as any?! si
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I believe someone will be along in a minute with some words to say on this CaRS matter...
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Poo there goes my next feature that was ment to be happening in November :-( My twincharged hillman imp :-( ill miss that mag its the only on I use to buy.
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Poo there goes my next feature that was ment to be happening in November :-( My twincharged hillman imp :-( ill miss that mag its the only on I use to buy. oooo another imp!! can we have pics please si
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antdat
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Poo there goes my next feature that was ment to be happening in November :-( My twincharged hillman imp :-( ill miss that mag its the only on I use to buy. i agree, guess they won't be wanting the Datsun when it's finsihed now for a feature :-(
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2006 10:43:01 GMT by antdat
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There is the possibility that someone will buy it,.. and maybe get it back on course..
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Pics are in the readers rides under 1967 cali I think, the pics only show the turbo stage tho as I'm keeping the next set up on the quiet.
Both imps have been on the imp club loads too!
Cheers Chris
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Pics are in the readers rides under 1967 cali I think, the pics only show the turbo stage tho as I'm keeping the next set up on the quiet. Both imps have been on the imp club loads too! Cheers Chris yeah ive just had a look it looks very nice. i dunno how i missed it in readers rides really?? and cant wait to see the "hush hush" beast unleashed ;D si
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i think hotwire knows something we don't!!? si
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No more Retrocar?DarrenW
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Shame to hear that it's not going to continue... But I didn't buy the most recent issue as the main leading news article was about the possible revival of the MGF! What's that got to do with anything retro-car related? I await next months, when no doubt the main article will be about some new Ford people-carrier or something...
It lost focus, it lost the excitement, it lost the edge. And it lost my subscription and money as a result.
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