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"For the first quarter, net income fell 14% at McClatchy, 28% at Tribune and 69% at New York Times Co., which had taken a big gain in the year-earlier period. All three publishers highlighted the strength of their own Internet businesses. The New York Times said revenue at its About.com site, which it acquired a year ago, rose 98%." The papers have moved online. Future publishing are pushing a new direction for their magazines. At some point magazines will move to be digital, not always online, seeing as over the next few years we'll see more products like this coming on the market : www.learningcenter.sony.us/assets/itpd/reader/As well as the ability to consume them on PDAs, Notebooks, Laptops and other electronic devices. How many people don't buy magazines because of the internet? Because of websites and forums like this one? The print media companies have seen this shift and want to take it on. They have the skills, talents, contacts and ability to get to vehicles and articles that we can't, so there is a space for them, they just need to learn how to moneytise that space and use it efficiently. The death of print media is a fair way off, 4-5+years for sure before it is over taken by online sales, but its coming and the early adopters stand to make the most benefit from it. Look at Zinio's electronic magazine portfolio to see how many large companies have realised this : www.zinio.com/
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Online magazines?
Wouldnt that be pretty much like the content allready on the general board?
Sorry i just don't see the attraction of a magazine i cant touch, bit like a car you cant drive.
As long as the magazine broke even or better all would be well and I'm sure they already are making a profit or it wouldnt have lasted this long.
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An online mag would differ from a forum cos it would have propper features and interviews, an involved article, not just an online collection of thoughts opinions and input facts. I'm convinced the interenet stops me watching TV, no the TV stops me watching TV, just like on 'Why don't you'. I wont let this put me off though with my project, cos it can easily be slung online too. I still want to read on the bog though, its the best place!!!
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No more Retrocar?Nathan
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curse word, even though its not been quite the mag it used to be I still love it. No CARS2007 then i guess?
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They'd be mad to pull the show it a growing success, but if its part n parcel, we need a new place to hannng!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of figures for newspapers. The thing is I haven't read a newspaper in years. Not one I bought anyway. If I want the news I want the news now not the news yesterday when the copy was put together. I listen to Radio4 and I get further info on their bulletins from their website, Reuters, or a google.
What I get out of a magazine is totally different. Its no good to me on a PC or a PDA. Pics are too small on a PDA and a PC is too cumbersome. I read mags when I have a few minyutes free just to flip through the glossy pics or read the tech on pinion angles. Yeah, I can do this online, and I occasionally do, but having it on paper in the living room is just the best way. I can also sliup one in the car or my work bag and read it on the train, when I'm waiting for my wife, when I'm at my in-laws, where ever. Theres no online charges, no downlaod wait, no risk of losing an expensive electronic device, no coverage issues and you can give it your mate when you've done.
Yeah, the online world marches on, but neither DVD nor VCR hasn't killed cinema, TV hasn't killed radio (regardless of what the Buggles reckoned LOL). Things reshape, priorities change, markets values change, but theres always a place for various formats.
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Online magazines? Wouldnt that be pretty much like the content allready on the general board? Thats the challenege for magazines moving online,.. they need to have a longer reach and a better eye for things than those websites that are already out there. They should be able to produce better quality content as well. If you want it on paper,.. print it yourself surely... I'm not talking exclusively about websites here, but also about downloadable content, Pdf, Zinio distribution, e-books etc. Got a tech article you want to take to the garage? Print it. Want to take a feature car down the pub to show some one, print it, or take your PDA, or your big screened mobile phone. Print wont die completely of course I'm just saying that electronic sales will eventually outstrip traditional sales. As long as the magazine broke even or better all would be well and I'm sure they already are making a profit or it wouldnt have lasted this long. A suprising number of magazines are run at a loss for a suprising amount of time.. another attraction for publishers to go online, £80 gets you an unlimited bandwidth website,... thats it, you're set up, no print costs, no distributions costs, no returns to deal with... very very cost effective. Why would you buy an electronic magazine? Because it was the only place you could get that level of quality content for a start. Saying you "Sorry i just don't see the attraction of a magazine i cant touch, bit like a car you cant drive." Is like saying "I won't use a forum because its like a pub I can't actually go to"... if the content is compelling and worthy of your attention, you will get it, weather its on paper or in electronic form. Much as I like printed magazines, I hate the fact I can search them, or have all the issues available to me whereever I am. Or have any direct interaction with them. I hate the fact that after a show I usually have to wait nearly 2 months for their coverage, I want it the next day, or at least the next week. And I want to be able to book mark it, and send it to a friend, and save it for my backdrop, and have video, and sound, and community with other readers......
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They'd be mad to pull the show it a growing success, but if its part n parcel, we need a new place to hannng! I'm going to find this out today...
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I hate the fact that after a show I usually have to wait nearly 2 months for their coverage, I want it the next day, Thats what the forum is for though. I have a proper snooze factor 10 job, this means plenty of reading material is needed, i just like glossy mags i can hold
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Most of the magazines I read have dreadful online presence and ropey forums. Maybe I'm just stoneage but most of my fave suppliers have a full online inventory but I much much much prefer to use a printed catalogue... Imay well then order online, but I like a flip through the catalogue browse experiance.
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i just like glossy mags i can hold They said the same about CD vs. Mp3......
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No more Retrocar?arthurbrown
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This is quite sad...
The mag has clearly been going downhill for months as they seemed only to focus on track cars and race reps. If they had gone back to the old ways of a smattering of everything, including well turned out 'street' cars in various forms of tune, then they would have appealed to a broader x-section.
Now there's nothing for me to read as a 'middle ground' type of reader.....
PPC? Too techy / race orientated, for guys who have a double garage and a silver A4 for weekdays...
PC? Well I'm still reading it, but the primary focus of the mag remains (and should remain IMO) in the court of slightly bufty old doodz
'One-make' titles? I'd rather boil my own nads than read that sychophantic, self-promoting claptrap....
'Custom Car' type titles? Too 'scene' for me. I don't understand it enough and the focus seems a bit narrow....
As for the show's demise... that's pretty pants, as it is the bestest show evAr. Can a phoenix rise from the ashes? I have little clue how a show comes about but would be willing to 'muck in'.... can a comittee be formed around this place / 'retro driver' to see if a show on that scale remains feasable???
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Can I just add wheels have been turning for the last few months....
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i just like glossy mags i can hold They said the same about CD vs. Mp3...... and i still don't own an mp3 player or ipod thingy, i do however own cd players but it was a reluctant move from tapes
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I know the wheels in which you speak........
My thoughts and I'm in the mag business! I reckon you still need mags but backed up with a seriously active website - not just ooh look what's in this months mag and you can see it if you buy it etc but stuff that's only avaialable on-line wherase the mag has stuff that's only available in the mag - one complements the other.
The problem with a mag being completely on-line is there is no substantial revenue - the thing that pays the wages of those actually producing the mag! I may well be wrong/ignorant here - educate me there must be ways you can generate revenue off the web. But then in my experience, people will always find ways of down loading content without paying for it - do that and it kills the reason for people doing it in the first place surely?
As Hotwire says - there are moves afoot!
AS for content and direction, I reckon RC has been struggling for a way forward since Simon left. RC needs to be a cross between Street Machine and RC in my opinion - there's been ahuge void in the SM sector not covered by CC or American Car World. An opinion voiced by many many people I know involved on the outskirts and proffessionally within the scene (?)
Just my thoughts but I think the market is in no way dead, just needs an injection of enthusiasm and direction which is out there big time!
Cheers,
Jon
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I like fannying about on this forum but I buy 5-6 paper mags most months, I love em and would be well fed up if they all went 'online'. I like to pick em up and put em down again and flick through them while sat on the sofa drinking a cup of tea. I certainly don't want to download them and look at them on a PDA or print them out on my shonky printer or whatever. I can't be the only one so I think paper mags have an OK future although clearly any mag which ignores the 'digital age' is on thin ice.
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Viva (see what I did there? Eh?) la revolucion!
David - would aquisition of the RC name (excluding paper publishing rights) for use as an online-only mag be possible?
Personally I feel that the shark was jumped when RC switched focus from the kind of cars *we* like to read about to the kind of cars the new editorial team *thought* we would like to read about.
I'd love an HTML-format mag. I could whack it on my phone and read at my leisure.
Hell, give it six months and I'd be able to read in the bedroom, the living room, the kitchen, the bathroom...But not everyone has thin clients spread over their house.
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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I'm a paper mag reader. i don't mind having a look on the web while I'm working, but i wouldnt want to spend evenings reading off a screen. likewise, i wouldnt print it off as a)thats what i do when I'm working and b)it would just get lost/destroyed/used for work notes before i know it. having said that, i think there is a place for online mags, just I'm not the ideal customer
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The problem with a mag being completely on-line is there is no substantial revenue - the thing that pays the wages of those actually producing the mag! I may well be wrong/ignorant here - educate me there must be ways you can generate revenue off the web. But then in my experience, people will always find ways of down loading content without paying for it - do that and it kills the reason for people doing it in the first place surely? The trick is not to sell single items that can be copied around the place, but weekly updated subscription based content. Believe it or not the people that have REALLY lead the way with this is the porn industry, website revenue > magazine revenue for them now. A lot of online businesses are set up around Google Adsense adverts as a revenue stream. You can get up and running from that and then expand onwards: This clever chap has some thoughts on the issue: buzzsort.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/on-google-adsense-and-website-revenue-streams/This one has some more detailed ones: www.brianoberkirch.com/?p=114Jon, you are bang on correct about the content focus,.. but ce'la vie. Re: CARS, the venue is currently booked for next year, but they can't make a decision until they know whats happening with the magazine. Japfest will still go ahead for sure because it doesn't hinge on J-Tuner, but CARS is so tightly tied into Retro Cars that they won't make a decision until they know whats up with the magazine, probably a couple of months time.
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No more Retrocar?arthurbrown
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Again, I will state my love of printed mags. I like the 'nerdiness' of having complete sets of mags (like RC from day 1, 15 yrs of PC etc) all ordered and catalogued. (Just as I do with CD's, vinyl etc - mp3's are fine for iPod out and aboutness, but I gotta have the 'original' there if I want it ) I like when I get some quiet time (not very often) to just sit about with a good glossy mag (C & SC is best for this) and drift off into automotive daydreaming. I still think that the electronic mag is viable. I just don't think it can substitute quite the same
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