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May 11, 2020 17:51:56 GMT
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Last Edit: May 11, 2020 17:53:58 GMT by nalesutol
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Internal door skin glued on. Needs to be trimmed and excess glue removed but the door is coming together. I estimate that the door should top out at just under 2.2kg.
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Ok, what did you expect it to sound like? Bear in mind that this is just two layers of 200gm carbon, so approx 0.5mm thick :-) I'm assuming not like "carbon" Steel I hear what you mean :-)
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That doesnt sound at all how I expected a carbon fibre roof to Ok, what did you expect it to sound like? Bear in mind that this is just two layers of 200gm carbon, so approx 0.5mm thick :-)
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For better or for worse, the Elan is now officially a FHC.
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Last Edit: May 7, 2020 18:21:22 GMT by nalesutol
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Just wondering if you would share the material cost associated with making that carbon door? I appreciate that time isn’t free neither is vacuum or heat but some idea of mold costs and carbon to make from mold would be really useful Ok Pattern is an open ended cost. This can be from nothing if, for example, you use an existing part like a bonnet, to many pounds depending on material used. Mould. This I make with a gel coat and 290g Plain Weave Woven Glass 1000mm Wide at £3.80/m2 and a high temp resin, which is more expensive than the standard stuff. On the moulds for the door I used approx 1kg of resin which is around £25. Standard resin would have cost around £13 I used 6 layers of fibreglass so around 3m2 so the cost is approx £23. Gel coat cost approx £20 I don't normally vacuum bag the moulds so this saves both time and money :-) Actual part. I used two layers of 200gm/m2 prepreg carbon for the doors. This is too little for a standard road car and I would recommend 4 layers as a minimum. Anyway, I used 2m2 of carbon on my door at a retail cost of around £130. My doors are small (approx 1m2 for both sides) so allow for 2-3 times this cost for a sturdy standard car door. Then there are the bagging materials. release film, breather cloth and vacuum bag. Cost approx £7 Release agent is used on both pattern and mould. Cost roughly £1 So, the total cost of my door is around £200 If interested, have a look at EasyComposites site at www.easycomposites.co.uk/I get all my supplies, apart from the prepreg carbon, from them and they are very helpful. Any questions, please ask. Steve
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Last Edit: May 6, 2020 21:56:12 GMT by nalesutol
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Tweaked the passenger door so it fits the opening a litle better. Todo that I cut through the frame, twisted it, held it in place and carboned over the cuts. Look naff at the moment but I will trim it up once cured. With regard to the driver's door, I have worked out how to secure the base of the lexan window and made a couple of aluminium moulds which are at present covered in carbon and cooking at 120deg C. While that was going on I rumminated on how to fit the two parts of the door together. I think that I will butt join them with a 20mm carbon strip holding the two sections together. Watch this space :-)
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Last Edit: May 6, 2020 18:52:56 GMT by nalesutol
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Well, made four bolts. Carbon door requires M10 but the passenger door is using the existing bobbins mounted in what if left of the door and these are 5/16 UNC so I will make those tomorrow. A bit rough and ready but they work and can't be seen :-)
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Tried to source some M10 1.5 pitch aluminium bolts tonight, but the best price I could find was £5.30 each! Sod that, so I will be making them tomorrow. Can't do allen key heads so they will have to be standard hex heads. Need 8 so an hour or so to make, once set up. One advantage of making them myself is that I can build the spreader washer into them.
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The driver's door is 100% carbon, but the passenger door is going to be a bit of a hybrid. I attempted to reduce the weight of this door frame a few years ago and got it down from 6kg to 3.2kg by replacing the dor skin with wet lay carbon, cuting out most of the internal skin and drilling 400 holes! With the the driver's door weighing in at not much more than 1kg I needed to do something to redress the balance. Making a mould would have been very time consuming due the already extensive modifications, so I decided to use the edges of the door and fill in with carbon. When I stripped off the old carbon skin it weighed 1.1kg! The new skin is 335gms, so I am getting better at this :-) The door hinges also went under the knife. OEM ones weigh 230gms each and this one now tips the scales at 87gms, so just over 1/2kg saved over four hinges. The fixing bolts will be rifle drilled aluminium :-) Door should end up around 2.5kg with an internal skin.
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Last Edit: May 2, 2020 18:15:23 GMT by nalesutol
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Ah i didn´t realise ti was that much actually - I really wondered if you were planning to eliminate the rest of the glass fibre at some point. Don't give him any more excuses to not get it running (was going to say finished but suspect it will never be that ) Waiting with baited breath for the first start and run here... Suppose the lessons in carbon fibre fab are worth the wait mind. Roof looks good - is this going to be bonded or clipped on ? James Hi James Bonded. It is too flimsy to be clipped and, anyway, clips are heavy :-)
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Door handle, Mk2. The hole has to be large as the latch lever moves. .
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So i´m sure it´s crossed your mind to try and recreate the body in carbon fibre...? A few parts of it are now carbon: Floors Front clip Doors Roof Front and rear firewalls Boot floor and rear panel Boot lid Rear Wheel tubs All interior, including dash, footwells and centre console Underfloor aero including skirts, splitters and air curtains Side exhaust cover and heat shields Seats Air filter box and induction ducting Nothing is skinned, what is the point of that?
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Apr 30, 2020 22:05:59 GMT
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Made me laugh - I threw 12 of them away last week because the plastic trays had cracked and collapsed - I looked at them and thought "might be useful for something" and then thought "lords know what - I'll keep them for years and when I do want them I won't be able to find them" so they went in the skip!!!! My thoughts on anything I find. I have kept so much stuff that over the years a lot of it has come in handy. However, we are fortunate to have the space to store stuff. Finding it can be an issue, as you say :-)
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Apr 30, 2020 21:21:45 GMT
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Apr 30, 2020 21:13:17 GMT
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Fingers crossed here for a good outcome James You and me both, James.
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Apr 30, 2020 14:41:54 GMT
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Last Edit: Apr 30, 2020 14:42:37 GMT by nalesutol
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Christmas jumper at its finest! Top work sir! They are like puppies, not just for Christmas :-) Thanks.
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