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May 25, 2006 13:23:48 GMT
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 25, 2006 13:25:24 GMT
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Omega = seriously costly when they break. , that's all I can tell you.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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May 25, 2006 13:27:43 GMT
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You need Bstardchild's advice, and I suspect he'll agree with CC's comments above.
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May 25, 2006 13:31:50 GMT
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ouch! I had noticed comments about the carlton, monza engines being best, i think i know why now but i am learning....
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 25, 2006 13:39:42 GMT
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not so sure you can lump the Lotus Carlton in with the whole 'barge' idea
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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May 25, 2006 13:44:34 GMT
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Forgot to say, feel free to clog this thread up with nice looking luxury GMs too. i could warm to the old shape easily
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 25, 2006 13:45:48 GMT
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not so sure you can lump the Lotus Carlton in with the whole 'barge' idea yeah i just mean big really, they all have speedy potential i'm sure.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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qwerty
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Tell me about GM bargesqwerty
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May 25, 2006 14:40:37 GMT
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I was told by bstardchild that omega's are basically curse word! Shame cos I always fancied a v8 one for drifiting and general cruising ;D. Love the look of them.
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suffolkpaul
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May 25, 2006 15:49:34 GMT
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the omega wagon is a good looker too. saw noe yesterday in tescos car park. lowered with big wheels. very smart in black too
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May 25, 2006 17:52:23 GMT
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I'd like an Omega diesel wagon. lovely.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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May 25, 2006 17:56:00 GMT
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They are all really good handling cars. Surprisingly good considering the size. I am currently keeping a lookout for either a senator or carlton 3.0 or an omega with either a 2.5 or 3.0 to use as a daily driver. As bstardchild will say the the V6 in the omega doesnt have a very good reputation for reliability mainly head gaskets. And I will have no doubt that they will also suffer from the sensor faults causing the engine management to come on that all vauxhalls seem to have from about 1994 onwards. But even with these problems they make for a nice car to drive.
I had a 2.5TD omega for a short while and while being underpowered it was still nice to drive. In fact maybe it wasnt so much underpowered as the chassis being able to handle a lot more power.
For reliability I don't think you can beat the 3.0 CIH 12V engine though. Big heavy engine, hasnt got masses of power but loads of torque and fairly economical. My monza has averaged between 22-25mpg this week and that is from over 300mile of mainly B road driving admittedly not flat out all the time but not hanging around either.
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dub
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May 25, 2006 18:00:38 GMT
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Dad had a 2.0 16valve omega estate. Such big cars, very cumfy, very cheap to buy now (sold it for £850 with FSH, 140,000 miles) and no major problems with it too
All in all a very good car, and the best bit rear wheel drive
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May 25, 2006 18:49:05 GMT
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When it was launched people seemed to deify the lotus carlton, but I've heard a few people knocking them lately. They sound totally boss, but are they!
Can you actually run one (not as a DD but certaily as reliable transport)?
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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May 25, 2006 18:57:18 GMT
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When it was launched people seemed to deify the lotus carlton, but I've heard a few people knocking them lately. They sound totally boss, but are they! Can you actually run one (not as a DD but certaily as reliable transport)? Ask Bstardchild
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May 25, 2006 19:07:24 GMT
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Thanks all, mixed bag. i'm sure bstardchild will have plenty to say on the matter.
Just pondering if I ever upgraded the sapph you see, not yet but with carltons, omegas etc having all the right credentials at a criminally low price at the mo it has to be considered!
I know what you mean about the chassis being able to take more pheonixc, that often how i feel about the sapph, but it does return about 33mpg on average under calm but not conservative driving, so i kinda live with the 'underpowering'.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 25, 2006 19:12:56 GMT
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I'm kind of in a serial GM-barge-buying mode at the moment, not sure why...you can pick up a Carlton or Senator for peanuts. The early stuff (pre-1986) in particular shouldn't cost you more than a grand for an absolute minter, I managed to get a 1986 Senator 2.5 with 3 months MOT and 68k on the clock for £102 (albeit with a shagged clutch).
So far, with another year's ticket and a new clutch (which I didn't put in myself, not enough ability with the spanners) it still owes me less than £350, and is rot-free. Monzas are more expensive mind, be wary of cars on eBay when the seller won't tell you the condition of the inner front wings or bulkhead. Electrics (windows, central locking) can play up, usually the wires where they pass through the door into the A-pillar break up.
Tends to be rust that gets them but mechanically tough as old boots. 24v Senators can break timing chains I believe (Bstardchild is a world authority on these cars I would say). Later 'aero' Carltons tend to be rusty but you can still find quite a few that have been well looked-after. Join the Autobahnstormers to find the best ones. Beginning to be a lot of interest in anything 3.0 litre and manual, but a 2.6 would also be good.
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May 25, 2006 19:14:34 GMT
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even my 83 wagon seems to be a fairly good handler , even tho it has a live axle set up at the back. so good infact(now its lowered, it was kind of fun in a comedy jelly fashion before ) that it now needs a MUCH better engine to keep up with the chassis. my old mk3 carlton wagon(2.0 ltr manual) and tcc,s saloon(2.0ltr auto) were terrific cars. super comfy, economical cruisers of the highest order. ill go as far to say , nicer to drive than the contempory 5 series zimmer
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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May 25, 2006 19:15:49 GMT
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hi rwelfare , long time no see ;D ;D
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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May 25, 2006 19:19:43 GMT
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Been hiding for a while! To qualify your 5-series statement - I used to have an '85 BMW 528i, would cook the Senator in a straight line (as well it should with less weight and another 44bhp), Senator definitely has a better ride and safer (in the wet) handling. These cars are lovely cruisers, with dead-comfy seats. You have to rag the nuts off the 2.5 though - it develops max torque at 4600rpm!
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May 25, 2006 20:01:59 GMT
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Interesting facts GM fans, and good to see rwelfare come back in the nick of time! realistically if i did get one later it'd be a carlton or omega wagon for DD duties. ....finally found impmans car he regrettably sold boasting impressive MPG, after serching the forum cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4640377342
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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