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yeh but to be truthful, bon bon did rape the curse word out of his engines and not look after them, I absolutely ragged the living sheeeite out of my SR all last year and actually did a lot more events than bon-bon and it held up fine (the 200SX clocked up over 10k miles just from drift events ...most of those in 2nd gear bouncing off the limiter ;D) Mine never got the oil changes it should have had and got overheated more times than I care to remember but it's still fresh enough to go in my 510 now ;D And this was just an unknown s/h engine. It was running so hot in round 4 that it detted bad enough to disintergrate the iridium plugs yet still suvived. I would regard that as a pretty tough engine! Only one engine failure of Bon-bons can be attributed to a man made fault. Seeing them fail is enough for me to regard then much as I do CA18DET's... great so long as they are a well looked after freshly built motor but otherwise a bit too fragile for uber hard thrashing. Great for a fast road car though same as a CA would be and they do sound cool  Not that any of this makes any difference anyway as it's not a 4 pot which is what 2002 needs ;D |
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I have seen www.m2bmw.com and his e21 stering rack to overcome the problem, I have realised that would be the main problem I need to overcome, I was thinking I might be able to clear the steering box with a fancy custom manifold, but if push comes to shove an e21 rack is not out of the question, either way I thought I would cross that bridge when I got there, because once I'm there i wont turn back. |
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If I was modding my 02, I'd opt for the squirt and turbo route. That bottom end is bulletproof (as proved by the F1 turbo cars from the early 80s - 1500bhp anyone?) so I don't think reliability is an issue. Plus a lot of the manifolding issues are going to be much easier than doing, say, an Imp thanks to the existence of the 02 turbo and suchlike. However, as BodienDoyle says a rhd steering box is right in the way of any such mods... you could always convert it to lhd!!!! I've raced (well, not officially as it was just three of us on a deserted Bruntingthorpe photoshoot) an M3 - I'd be surprised if that engine was *actually* fragile. After all, it was designed with motorsport in mind (remember the touring cars) and was fairly dominant. Perhaps its more down to who screwed it together and how it has been treated. I've snapped a crank on a Jag XK engine (takes some doing ;D) and blown up countless Imp bottom ends being a prat with them, so it rather depends on the nut behind the wheel there.... Good luck with it. Sounds like a winner! |
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Just cos something is good for you doesn't mean its good for everyone - for example Marmite does not make good Dog Food.
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Its good to hear another opinion from the turbo camp, they did get silly power out of the F1 engines for qualifying, although they did have the uber rare 16 valve head though,
blownimp showed me a website with a spaceframed 02 with the 16v m10 turbo motor needless to say it was F a s t.
don't fancy converting to wrong hand drive
What is it about Imp owners and turbo's?
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M-Power or Turbo For 2002Tiiqwerty
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Rightly so too... SR's belong in old Datsuns ;D  If I was looking for a donor for a 2002 I's want to keep it BMW but that's just how I like to do things. -Ed Glad to meet a person who shares my opinion on this kinda thing. I prefer to have a car which the manufacturer could have fitted. Keep cars with engines made by the same manufacturer. bmw>bmw, ford>ford, Nissan>nissan/datsun etc. just seems better in my eyes. Saying that I'm extremely interested in Cauppacinocruisers subaru conversion on his T25 so I guess I'm a hypocrite. |
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May 23, 2006 19:45:54 GMT
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throwing one into the mix, how about a supercharged m44 1.9is engine? lot cheaper than an s14 (especially if it blows up) and more up to date than an m10. pretty bullit proof (if you do the profile gasket), I have a customer with one on gas that backfired. bent all 8 exhaust valves and 4 inlets and still ran on 3 cylinders! only had it fixed because it failed the mot on hydrocarbons. I considered an m44 for mine, but got nostalgic for the m10. you'd need an e21 323i gearbox, for the correct bell housing pattern and speedo drive. also a 518i m43 sump to clear the cross member. failing that, stick a fugging rotary in it ;D! just don't put a six in it. they ruin the handling completely, the engines forward enough as it is.
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May 24, 2006 12:22:00 GMT
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May 24, 2006 12:48:13 GMT
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I would still have the Tii engine to mix and match with, had a look at the link he sais its pretty much standard internally apart from the rods pistons and crank and they are all standard off other engines, makiing me think s14 turbo, was aiming for 200bhp but lets be honest if I overshoot by another 200 I wont demand a public enquiry.
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May 24, 2006 15:19:37 GMT
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sounds like the best combination to me!
I bet mega power could be made but 450bhp is respectable from a 2L and at only 16psi, that impressive.
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May 24, 2006 15:27:58 GMT
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May 24, 2006 15:55:50 GMT
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chevrom B6, are we talking M12 engine? 16v 2L with mechanical injection? Gotta love the rattle of that stainless slide throttle J |
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May 24, 2006 19:32:27 GMT
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Nnnnngggggg!
Now you're talking J ;D
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May 24, 2006 20:00:02 GMT
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we have one of those at work in a march chassis, right next to that is another march with a 2.2BDG on lucas mechanical injection, and an electromotive DIS. The M12 runs kugelfisher mechanical injection and has lovely black trumpets.
One of the most fun pasts of my job is warming those types of cars up before the drivers take them out, soo lumpy at low RPM, makes them sound ace!
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May 24, 2006 21:59:43 GMT
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I come on here trying to make a decision and I end up going away with both,
Thanks J for that link I now want an S14 turbo, at least now I can get the m3 engine slam it in then add the blower once I get bored, 450bhp in a car that weighs a ton is now my goal.
Thing is would the getrag 5 speed overdrive gearbox from an e21 take that power or will I need the m3 gearbox (guessing the latter) in which case I need to enlarge the transmision tunnel.
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shouldn't need to enlarge the tunnel. m3 e30 box is similar if not the same case as the "real" 2002 close ratio 5 speeds. if you had an auto, the tunnels are bigger anyway |
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Ive read a couple of sites about doing the conversion and they say it needs to be enlarged, probably not by much maybe just clearance for the couple of sensors that go into the m3 gearbox, I might get the m3 box anyway as I need a box which isn't the standard 4 speed, the car is currently in need of a lot of welding so I might as well do that at the same time.
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May 25, 2006 18:52:00 GMT
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clearance for the couple of sensors that go into the m3 gearbox the sensors are in the bell housing. from memory, one at 2 o'clock (facing box input shaft end) and 2 at 4-5 o'clock. the box is EXACTLY the same as an m30 big six dogleg box. so is the bell housing, except for the sensors. you could put a proper front mounted crank refrence system, and get rid of the sensors. be careful what you read, lots of people manage to speak complete b*ll*cks when it comes to bmws. I will never know everything about them, but will always be willing to share what I do know |
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