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May 22, 2006 10:34:00 GMT
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I've had a letter from the council. Apparently I'm operating as a trader. Now I've got a fair few cars, but I'm not trading, and I always take them somewhere else to work on them I've just purchased quarterly storage for 2 vehicles locally, and I'm scrapping a couple of them THIS WEEKEND, this was pre arranged WAAAY before this letter. Talk about friggin timing. Wish my neighbours would get a hobby.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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May 22, 2006 10:43:48 GMT
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I hope this helps; I have been at my flat for about 6 weeks now, no car work yet, however we gota an official complaint off the authority that owns the grounds, bearing in mind we haven't met many neighbours to talk to yet and its a chilled out area apperently. we got done for.... having a small washing line up - twice! at the back of the flat! no wonder the environment is at risk. screw the neighbours! they have only seen one car so far...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 22, 2006 10:54:35 GMT
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LOL, ta for that, it's not an issue, just means I need to take a little more relaxed an approach to my Van now , I've been going full steam ahead with the conversion, and let the storage situ get outta hand, originally I got a subaru to use for the conversion, then bought a complete engine and loom, so I've a redundant subaru legacy now (I can get the tax back now the logbook has arrived!!!) Drew got a legacy to use while he worked on the Seat, I got that Green MKII to do a mate a favour, and now I've got the car with no real use for it. Add the van and the Audi, I can kinda see the point, but coming to me before the council would have worked better, then I could have addressed the situation with them. Oh well, will get cars scrapped over the week now, and get my Engine done over the weekend, that'll shut the moaning cnuts up.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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May 22, 2006 10:58:34 GMT
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 22, 2006 11:02:54 GMT
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I used to get a fair bit of that sort of rubbish at the last address I lived at, ridiculous neighbours moaning every time I so much as had an old car parked outside, let alone working on one. I remember one time one of them wanted to have me reported for trading from a private address because a friend of mine had been on his way home from a show in his 1947 Rover P2, it started overheating and losing coolant fast, so called me and I told him that seeing as he was nearby he should stop at my house and we'd try and establish the problem. So anyway, some bloody neighbour happened to walk past at this point, noticing that outside my house were parked my Imp, a Volvo 740, a 940 turbo and a Rover P2, only one of which, the Rover, was being worked on. The afore-mentioned eejit them proceeds to come back down the street and moan to me that he's going to report me to the council for fixing cars outside a private residence and mutters that it's antisocial scum like me who're driving down house values in the area. Of course, being a hairy, politically left-of-centre, old car obsessed student as I am, I got this quite often, evidently the neighbours hadn't grasped that the reason house prices in Greenock are low is that the place has been a crumbling down, badly neglected, crime and unemployment riddled slum of a place since it lost the heavy industries in the 60s and 70s and has been in decline since, and that the demand for the houses is going down is because people are migrating out of Greenock in their droves for hopes of a reasonable standard of life elsewhere (although many go to Glasgow, and bearing in mind that Glasgow's unemployment level is over a third of the population, the situation there's little better for people looking for work.) Of course, rather than grasp this important social problem that makes Greenock about as desireable a place as Kabul, they instead decide to sniff out 'deviants' and perpetually hassle them. I'd imagine the same thing's happening in your case, seeing as having a few old motors outside marks you out as different to all the sheep with 'their' YES Car Credit-owned MPVs and company repmobiles, they find it acceptable to vent the frustrations of their soulless, characterless lives slaving away as another cog in the machine on you. As I said, I used to get a fair bit of it, seeing as I used to live in an area of Greenock that still hung onto faint vestiges of bourgeious respectability, whearas these days I've ended up in a similar working class area to the one I grew up in, except this time I've found myself in a crumbling down old victorian semi-detached with a driveway and room to work on the cars, rather than an even more decrepit close with no room to swing a rat, and those were hardly rare in the closes of Gibshill. ;D Basically, what I'm saying is that if you want to be left alone to do what you want, live alongside people who've no pretences about who they are and where they're going.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Oh FFS, rant for the day.BenzBoy
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May 22, 2006 11:07:49 GMT
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We had some trouble with neighbours a while back, due to too many cars being outside our house (note: OUR house... not theirs). I had a BMW that was for sale in the local rag, and a Mazda that was sold and due to be collected. My Benz, my brothers Escort and a couple of others. What p*ssed me off the most was that they were going by the end of the week anyway, but the whinging neighbours probably thought that I'd done it to please them It's people with f*ck all better to do than stick their nose into other people's business. And just going straight to the council is about as cowardly as it gets. Hope you sort it out CC
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May 22, 2006 11:11:11 GMT
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Oh I'll sort it, don't worry, I've got a quarters storage sorted for mine, so all I'll have at the property when they come is my Van. My dad can sort his ones out himself
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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May 22, 2006 11:26:53 GMT
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I only got hassle from the council when I got to this stage... Somebody made a complaint (no idea who... I don't really have an neighbours as such) and because that particular piece of land was classed as agricultural I would have nneded change of use planning permission to store cars there. No chance that i would get that so they all had to go. The council did give me four months to do it though and never hassled me again. I have never had any bother with regard to being a trader and lord knows, my place sure as hell looks like a traders gaff ;D I think the 'no neighbours' situation helps enourmously and that was one of the major reasons for moving here. I always have at least a dozen cars in my drive and around the place but nobody seems to be too bothered. My recommendation ...move ;D The view up my drive last year looked like this most of the year... -Ed
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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May 22, 2006 11:31:52 GMT
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So THATS where all the Datsuns went..
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May 22, 2006 11:36:10 GMT
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nice and neatly parked, what a dream house, even more than bo11ox museum!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 22, 2006 11:53:56 GMT
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Be interesting to know what official grounds they have for this, as it's probably something a few of us here might fall foul of.
I've currently got six cars out the front of my house - my four, the family-mobile and ScrapingScrap's Merc, plus the possibility of another 240K for spares soon. I've got room as you can see in the sig pic below, and no-one has yet complained as one neighbour has several vehicles himself and other side are messy buggers who cause us separate problems that we put up with (their dogs have killed 36 rats in the last week after they dug up some nests in their garden, errghhh).
I occasionally break something on the drive, and so far the only hassle this creates is when travellers want to take it away, but one day I fear some do-gooding bod will complain simply because they drive past it.
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May 22, 2006 12:01:14 GMT
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be careful about upsetting the neighbours, they have the law more and more on their side now.
There is a storage of waste directive which applies to having "scrap" cars round your house. scrap just means untaxed and un-moted, or in bits for more than one day. They can get a court order to compulsorarily remove your cars and scrap them.
There may be bylaws or deeds of covenant that prevent you from working on cars at your private address. You can get a private or local government prosecution against you for this. Non-compliance can be a criminal matter.
I once got in trouble with the council because a car was parked outside my house for 4 weeks without moving. "The public street is for driving and temporarily parking car and not for storing them." Apparently not moving for 14 days is an offense of some sort. They were going to tow it away. I talked them out of it as it was only a local copper that had noted it and not because of a neighbours' complaint. If a neighbour had complained it would have been towed away even though it had correct insurance, T&T.
A chap I used to know was pretty much at war with his neighbours. He had environmental prohibition orders against him which prohibited him from draining oil or using aerosol cans, starting engines after dark, applying or sanding filler, using power tools, etc etc etc.
I even know a guy who's neighbour had a really sweet '69 Buick LeSabre. Parked it in front of someone elses house one to many times and it got torched. Shame as it was a beautiful car.
a chap who was a mate of a guy who did some work for me was in a similar boaty, accused of being a trader, so he foolishly stated that he was as he thought that would give him some "legitimate" right to work on the cars at home. How wrong was he! Got slaughtered for bsuiness rates and then prosecuted for being in contravention of local planning concent regs!
Where I live now I spend as much time gardening and stuff to make the front of the house etc look as tidy and nice as possible. I even weeded the bit of common land thats by my house at the weekend. Its psychological stuff. They think I'm a manic gardener, they like that, they ignore the clanging, banging, grinding noises coming from the back of the house....
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 22, 2006 12:04:12 GMT
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My old house - nearly came to blows with a couple of locals here. But oddly enough the people who lived either side of me thought I was great. When I moved out one guy said I was the best neighbour they'd ever had. I was quiet (mostly) and polite. This was the house where I resprayed a car in the street one day! LOL.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 22, 2006 12:04:41 GMT
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By the time I'm done, all that's gonna be mine on the property is my wedge, Taxed, MOT'd and insured Don't worry, I'm moving to my barn to do my work now, can't be arsed with the grief, and for the sake of £170 a quarter for my needs, no point arguing the toss.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Nick
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May 22, 2006 12:08:09 GMT
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my advice curse word em.. i don't have time in my life to worry about upsetting some fairies who don't like the sight of cars...
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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May 22, 2006 12:10:28 GMT
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Oh, heres another trick: Some guy in Coventry (I think) got a notice to dispose of about 6 or 8 classics he had on his drive. The reason was a planning non-conpliance. A driveway is defined under planning law as an area for driving vehicles over. NOT a storage area. You are not technically permitted to "store" vehicles on your drive (or garden). However, if you ammend your driveway or surrounding area (wall, border, whatever) send in a scale plan to the planning authority showing your driveway marked as "vehicle hard standing area / driveway" and a covering letter saying "please confirm that the ammendments to my property do not require planning concent" and keep the letter which comes back safe. Thats what I've done with mine both times. They probably won't notice the driveway/standing bit as they are looking at the wall or what ever it is you are proposing as a modification. Make sure you check that what ever you are proposing does not require planning though! Now you are covered as you have a vehicle standing area and you can leave cars on it as long as you like so long as you don;t breach any environmental or other laws.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 22, 2006 12:11:37 GMT
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my advice flip em.. i don't have time in my life to worry about upsetting some fairies who don't like the sight of cars... Thats fine until the council turn up with the cops to tow them away....
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 22, 2006 12:15:44 GMT
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nah, I haven't got the energy for this, I just want to do my van and keep tinkering in peace, whether that be at home or in a dry barn. I'm no longer bothered, I can see their point, but they should have come to ME before going to the council, THAT is my gripe. All invited to mine at the weekend to remove, scrap and tinker, I'm gonna try to get the subaru engine in too
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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May 22, 2006 12:17:50 GMT
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I've never had any grief off the neighbours here about stuff like that.
Most of them take a passing interest in my Crusty Stuff, but that's about it. When we moved her there was no off-street parking so I had a driveway built that can accomodate 3 cars (just about). The truck still has to live on the street, but no-one seems bothered.
I've also put the deposit down on a storage unit on a nearby farm to stop the garden getting filled with wheels, engines, non-runners and asscoiated tat.
There's alot worse culprits than me round here, though. Thankfully the council seem to be having a cull and moving alot of their tenants out wherever possible, mostly so they can sell the housing stock off for mega-bucks (£200,000++ for a semi with a decent sized plot down here now!!)
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Nick
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May 22, 2006 12:20:42 GMT
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my advice flip em.. i don't have time in my life to worry about upsetting some fairies who don't like the sight of cars... Thats fine until the council turn up with the cops to tow them away.... its simple really my friend has hassle like this all the time, has cars stored all over the place. just rotate them every so often.. its not rocket science, play them at their own curse word game.. i just don't see why people think by just complainin they can get what they want. .. but yeh cappumochinimo cruiser, don't blame you for wanting to just exist in peace and do your thing
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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