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These videos....are utterly painful to watch or atleast the first two are. The last one however... very interesting to see a rear subframe in that config...potential for transplants? www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/tesla-model-s-electric-car-ev-engineering-features-videos.phpThe engineer though, by God is he painful to listen to, talking about the structure...the strutbrace which is looks dubiously bolted in with some nylock nuts. The 'architecture' of the car. URGGGHHHH. Cringeworthy, utterly cringeworthy, no wonder they can sell them for so much when people will lap that drivel up. They make it sound like crumple zones were designed in the past 6 months.... Flat underfloor a refreshing thing to see mind. For wasting your time for a few minutes, have some well earned retro pics ![](http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8782/3101718749ccc5df33d0o.jpg) ![](http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8717/3615435292d2ae6c1f70b.jpg) ![](http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5747/img3399t.jpg)
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Down with electrics! Ha. Gimme that beautiful Porsche or whatever that nice little silver thing is
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Down with electrics! Ha. Gimme that beautiful Porsche or whatever that nice little silver thing is What Chris Klein \ Tesla and their ilk have to understand is that California is not like the rest of the world.Unless the technology and infrastructure improve drastically, I can't see the electric car catching on. Until you can put a reliable family hatchback in showrooms that can do 400 - 500 miles on a single charge in a variety of driving conditions \ speed ranges for around ÂŁ15K, people will not switch. No number of early adopters or special government subsidies will change that. Why am I unconvinced? Well, aside from the issue of range, you also have to consider where the electricity itself is coming from. The UK is still supplied in the majority by coal fired power stations. Wind farm usage is growing, but there is considerable opposition to them from local residents. Siting them at sea is one solution, but they can't hope to meet the entire capacity of the UK. There's also the recycling issue which effectively nullifies the 'low carbon footprint' nonsense of the Toyota Prius, that attenuated runt darling of the green motoring movement. They made it an issue, and their offerings can't easily be sent back to the earth from whence they came either due to the precious metals used in their batteries. The Tesla Roadster is a brave effort, but driven gently no tested vehicle has achieved a range of over 100 miles, and while that isn't the point of the car, it's hardly an advert for the technology, not to mention the frequent software and motor problems.
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There's also the recycling issue which effectively nullifies the 'low carbon footprint' nonsense of the Toyota Prius, that attenuated runt darling of the green motoring movement. They made it an issue, and their offerings can't easily be sent back to the earth from whence they came either due to the precious metals used in their batteries. Got a credible source for any of those claims? The Tesla Roadster is a brave effort, but driven gently no tested vehicle has achieved a range of over 100 miles, and while that isn't the point of the car, it's hardly an advert for the technology, not to mention the frequent software and motor problems. 111 miles in a Leaf: www.plugincars.com/two-new-nissan-leaf-owners-eek-out-111-miles-way-back-dealer-106628.html
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These videos....are utterly painful to watch... The engineer though, by God is he painful to listen to... URGGGHHHH...Cringeworthy, utterly cringeworthy... Are you OK? You appear to be experiencing some kind of advanced psychotic episode.
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Regarding EV batteries... This makes very interesting reading. LCA is lifecycle assessment, a method of calculating environmental burdens throughout the entire life cycle of a product or process. Part of my job includes doing this. Empa have produced a report comparing a Li-ion powered electric vehicle with a similar (VW Golf) sized petrol powered vehicle. The report is weighted in favour of the petrol vehicle to represent a technologically similar vehicle to the electric vehicle. The 300kg battery was found to play a minor role with regards to the total environmental burden, at around 15% of the total impact. The main burden was in the use phase for both vehicles but in all assessment methods the petrol car was found to have a higher environmental impact than the electric vehicle, including resource depletion. The full report and the supporting information is available from: pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es903729a"Contribution of Li-Ion Batteries to the Environmental Impact of Electric Vehicles" Environ. Sci. Technol., 2010, 44 (17), pp 6550–6556
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Don't the Tesla's 2,800 batts have to be renewed every 3 years? Environmentally friendly my hairy chuff.
Supposedly there was a study that decided the Rangie Sport had less enviro impact than the Peni... sorry, Prius.
As an aside did anyone else suffer the Cafe Racer prog, with the electic bike race? "And here they come round the final corner!" ... wshhhhh ...
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I love electric cars... there I said it. I LOVE THEM. Torque torque and more torque. In fact I was tempted to start a forum dedicated to them and (preferably) modifying older cars to be electric and to accelerate very fast indeed. Although it seems I've been beaten to the punch ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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This is everything that's awesome about electric cars. I'd love to try a Tesla - the relentless unstepped acceleration must seem weirdly otherworldly.
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Don't the Tesla's 2,800 batts have to be renewed every 3 years? Environmentally friendly my hairy chuff. Yes, the LCA I posted includes two sets of batteries to cover that. Supposedly there was a study that decided the Rangie Sport had less enviro impact than the Peni... sorry, Prius. Find a credible source for that. And by credible I mean anything that has been peer reviewed or published in a scientific journal, or even published somewhere like NewScientist or Scientific American. Hint: you won't find one ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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I think the Prius uses nickel based batteries rather than lithium. That's not to say that the supply of lithium wouldn't turn into a problem if it was adopted more widely.
Also there are some non-electric JDM cars which also use grass reinforced plastic panels (Honda Mobilio was the first I think) like the gen 3 Prius. A comparison with those might skew the LCA away from the Toyota a bit.
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Find a credible source for that. And by credible I mean anything that has been peer reviewed or published in a scientific journal, or even published somewhere like NewScientist or Scientific American. Hint: you won't find one ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) CBFA to go that far, but it's been around for a few yrs. Here's one hit but there's probs better ones. Been in a Prius once, and based on that extensive ((cough ;D)) experience I'd say electric cars suck mightily. Gasoline engines have soul, character, response, feedback, all that good stuff. Prius is a sensory deprivation tank on wheels. If you want torque, try a nice V8. It'll have the soul blah-blah too ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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This Tesla raced at the Crystal Palace hill climb last year amongst a wealth of nostalgic/classic/historic cars. It was equally awesome. ![](http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i251/bruceholder/Retro/Events/CrystalPalace/CP02.jpg) That's all I have to say ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Wireless charging - the future is here.
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In the future, i am going to open a Gym and have all the exercise bikes hooked up to my Tesla, that way i get Gym fees to help pay for the batteries, and free electricity to run the thing ;D
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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, but there is considerable opposition to them from local residents. Siting them at sea is one solution, but they can't hope to meet the entire capacity of the UK Even that isn't so easy due to the substantial cost involved in getting the power back ashore (submarine cables, etc) and the installation and maintenance thereof, of buoys to avoid ships running into them. I for one wouldn't enjoy the chance of a wind mill popping up out of no where whilst I was up on the Bridge. Electric cars as a whole don't really work at the moment, primarily due to the lack of infrastructure like charging points. Moreover it doesn't get round the problem of when you want to do a 350mile journey. EDIT: Having just watched those videos I agree with camerashy about them being painful to watch. I don't think he could have used anymore buzz words if he had tried. It's just a bloody wheel arch ffs!
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CBFA to go that far, but it's been around for a few yrs. Here's one hit but there's probs better ones. CNW Marketing Research, the several hundred page reports with not one reference to where their data came from and no third party verification to back it up. It's easy to believe what they say because their reports are so long and in-depth, but with nothing to back up their claims, it's as good as meaningless ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) ![](http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/874/gmvoltelectriccarad1900.jpg)
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Find a credible source for that. And by credible I mean anything that has been peer reviewed or published in a scientific journal, or even published somewhere like NewScientist or Scientific American. Hint: you won't find one ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) CBFA to go that far, but it's been around for a few yrs. Here's one hit but there's probs better ones. Been in a Prius once, and based on that extensive ((cough ;D)) experience I'd say electric cars suck mightily. Gasoline engines have soul, character, response, feedback, all that good stuff. Prius is a sensory deprivation tank on wheels. If you want torque, try a nice V8. It'll have the soul blah-blah too ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) As a *gasp* engineer/science researcher type, unless a source has come from somewhere decent and is peer reviewed then it is worthless... especially newspaper articles. Also, the soul, character, response and feedback that petrol engines have is simply the product of intensive development.... by the time an equal amount of development in the right areas of electric car tech has been completed, only then can a comparison be drawn. Just my two pence... I like all kinds of tech... flatheads to milkfloats ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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EmDee
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that white zombie link is money! thanks dbizzle
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I love electric cars... there I said it. I LOVE THEM. Torque torque and more torque. In fact I was tempted to start a forum dedicated to them and (preferably) modifying older cars to be electric and to accelerate very fast indeed. Although it seems I've been beaten to the punch ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Do it anyway!
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