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Nov 15, 2010 20:10:40 GMT
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My Dad and I were talking last night, and he has given me an idea that simply won`t go away. I want to build a street sleeper, and have got it down to two cars. The plan is: Buy one of the two cars shown below, and put the big ford v6 in them The engineering envolved doesnt phase me at all, I am more the capable of doing it. I want to keep it Ford, and looking fairly stock. Just a little bit of lowering Obviously, ill update the brakes to cope with the new power. If you were doing it, which of the two cars below would you use? Ford 100e or Ford Consul Classic
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Last Edit: Nov 16, 2010 22:33:34 GMT by -Scott-
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Kieran
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Nov 15, 2010 20:19:58 GMT
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100E!! ;D
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Nov 15, 2010 20:20:10 GMT
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Both can be rusty pigs ( I've had enough of both to know ) but I would chose the Classic. It had discs as standard and a back axle that can be uprated to take the power ,with a variety of ratios, and wouldn't require any identity threatening mods to the bulkhead /monococque.
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Nov 15, 2010 20:33:14 GMT
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I had a 100E with the 3.1 Essex V6 in it, rocket 4 speed box, 4.10 Anglia rear. I didn't put it there so I can't comment on the install process. I can say it was a bit of a one trick pony - it got sideways. It wasn't *that* fast in real terms, although it was pretty damn scary. I miss it. It was fun.
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Nov 15, 2010 20:50:51 GMT
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Last Edit: Nov 15, 2010 20:52:49 GMT by LiamF
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Nov 15, 2010 21:04:17 GMT
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Very nice. And probably right about the tuned pinto being quicker, easier and doubtless cheaper... V6 sounds nicer. Thats about it. Cologne 2.9 24V V6 would be an interesting one, assuming it fits. Sounds nicer than a 4 pot, makes a hod more power than the Essex or 12V V6
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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-Scott-
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Nov 15, 2010 21:06:05 GMT
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excuse my lack of knowledge I'm not good with fords.. yet what car would i get the Cologne 2.9 24V V6 from?
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Nov 15, 2010 21:12:49 GMT
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best bet is a 1990-1992? Ford Granada Scorpio Cosworth. As I recall the earliest models come with a separate loom and ECU so they are easier to transplant. The later Scorpio Cosworths are pretty much the same motor but the ECU loom and such are all wrapped up into the car's gubbins meaning its harder to unpick the bits you need. You could always go with an aftermarket ECU.
If I remember correctly.
Popuptoaster or Nightmares will be along in a bit to give you all the gen.
They are all automatic but all the Ford V6 (eg Capri, XR4i, etc.) manual boxes (Type 9, MT75, etc.) will fit with a suitable flywheel swap
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Last Edit: Nov 15, 2010 21:15:16 GMT by akku
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Nov 15, 2010 21:13:03 GMT
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Granada Scorpio 24v cosworth, two flavours, BOA and BOB versions, the BOB makes a smidge more power and comes in the bug eye Scorpios, the downside is the electronics are more complicated, both will need a some fettling to sort out a manual gearbox, the upside of both is that they make 200bhp and will still do 30mpg plus in a small light car, makes hods of torque from low in the rev range so you get a very drivable car, check my 24v Cortina build for some ideas of what to expect. retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=36179the BOB has VIS on it so if you go aftermarket you need some way to control the variable inlet, If you use the BOB ECU you need to keep the wiring to the ignition barrel and hide it under the dash with the key in it as teh PATS wont let the engine run without it, yet another issue is that the BOb had a fully electronic auto box and the ECU gets upset when you take the autobox away and fit a manual, as it waits for gearchange signals its not getting. BOA is an easier swop
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Nov 15, 2010 21:16:49 GMT
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-Scott-
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Nov 15, 2010 21:22:39 GMT
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it looks for too much work... electrics are not my friend lol...
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Nov 15, 2010 21:28:16 GMT
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the early type is an easier call - you just need like 3 wires to get the ECU up and running and thats about it. I share your distrust of electrickery though. Personally I'd always like to see a carb on top of my engine, all those oddball sensors and such, no idea if you could run a 24 valver on carbs and a normal distributor.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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-Scott-
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Nov 15, 2010 21:34:33 GMT
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sod it.. think ill go pinto.. seems a lot easier to do, and a lot less leccy to worry about
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Nov 15, 2010 21:41:44 GMT
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i was a carb only man until i ran a 2.8i in a Cortina, was marvelous, its always started, was MUCH better on fuel, and much more driveable, i prefer an ECU to a carb these days and i have to say i have spent far less mornings cursing the car for not starting than i did in the past.
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Nov 15, 2010 21:45:45 GMT
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I am coming around to the idea of elec-cronics. The L98 TPI lump in the Trans Am is a cracker.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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-Scott-
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Nov 15, 2010 21:51:03 GMT
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the only thing I'm worried about is wiring the bloody thing up! the 24v idea seems really good though and has given me more to thing about. If i can wire it up ill do it. which one would you use, the frog faced scorpio engine??
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Nov 15, 2010 22:04:29 GMT
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I used the BOA from the Granda scorpio, basically just took all the engine loom out of the granny and transplanted it into the Cortina, plugged it all back into the engine, stuffed the ECU behind the glovebox and gave the loom power from the battery, power from the ignition switch, a couple of earths and ran a wire to the fuel pump soloniod, any auto sparks should be able to connect it up, you cant plug it into the engine wrong as the plugs are all shaped or colour coded, and wiring diagrams to power the loom up are easy to find online.
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Nov 15, 2010 23:15:36 GMT
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oh right, i thought it was going to be a bigger job then that. If i can get a pinto cheap then ill stick that in... a mate of mine if selling a cross-flow too, could be interesting
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Ford 100e sleeper questionsstealthstylz
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I'd go for the Classic as you can uprate the performance without cutting anything. To get a Pinto/V6 in a 100e you need to cut the bulkhead and transmission tunnel which means the car needs an IVA test which is an extra £450 that you need to budget for (plus the cost of modifying the car to pass it)
Matt
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Ford 100e sleeper questionsHARDCORE
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Why not go looking for both, then buy the first one in acceptable condition & within budget that you find for sale? That way the decision makes itself ;D (Unless above mentioned IVA issues make it for you )
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