Lawsy
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Sept 24, 2010 19:39:33 GMT
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Anyone seen the latest V5's I've just changed a car (yet again) and had one of thenew style V5's come back and its pretty scarey (well it was at first) they are now (front cover) Bright Red top half and pink lower half coloured, across the top half is a big bold blue stripe and it says THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP It shows who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle the vehicleOtherwise its pretty much the same as the last one. anyway, because this clearly states as NOT PROOF OWNERSHIP my question then, what is actual proof of ownership??? What qualifies in the eyes of the law as ownership??? for yor troubles
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bmw156
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Sept 24, 2010 19:46:36 GMT
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I'm guessing its possession
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Sept 24, 2010 19:48:34 GMT
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We have a 2 part vehicle registration thing here. One is to be kept in the car, same as your V5 prob`ly, the other to be kept at home, just in case.
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Sept 24, 2010 19:57:29 GMT
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they've always been proof of liability rather then proof of ownership. ohh and very nice 120y estate
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will
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Sept 24, 2010 20:00:00 GMT
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Good question, I got one today for the Cortina and noticed the change. Does seem a bit odd as I always took the v5 to mean exactly that (see thread title). As is the norm it came with a bunch of other stuff in the envelope, maybe if I read that it would have the answer, maybe.
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Sept 24, 2010 20:05:46 GMT
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i read a legal argument about it on a consumer rights forum, technically as soon as the car is registered the dvla own the vehicle, seems to make sense because otherwise if they took your car off you and crushed it, surely this would be theft.
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Sept 24, 2010 20:13:11 GMT
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The DVLA do NOT own your vehicle, they own the registration number they get to take and crush your vehicle because there is a provision in the law for it, the V5 has NEVER been proof of ownership, you need a bill of sale or receipt the same as you would for a washing machine or TV should your ownership be called into question.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Sept 24, 2010 20:16:29 GMT
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^^ sounds like wibblepoo to me.
DVLA would own it if they paid for it, and the crushing of cars is enforced by court decision, not just at the whim of some welshmen.
The V5 has only ever confirmed registered keeper, not owner - I have not seen a new form yet, but it doesnt strike me as any different to the old ones except this fact is spelled out in a more obvious manner. I don't know what would constitute proof of ownership, but I would imagine that being the registered keeper would go partway in the eyes of a Judge, as would some kind of recepts or invoice for the purchase of the car.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Sept 24, 2010 20:17:14 GMT
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Gah, popup posted that as I was typing.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Sept 24, 2010 20:48:50 GMT
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Everyone on the internet is getting so worked up about about this. The buff logbook, V5 and V5C never were 'proof' that you owned the car. Anyone could and still can apply for a logbook with a V20 or whatever form it is.
I think what I'm trying to say is chillax, so what, meh, etc ;D
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Sept 24, 2010 21:09:38 GMT
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proof of ownership is a receipt from the person who sold it to you.
Assuming they were the rightful owner.
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Proof of ownershipretrowagen1234
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Sept 24, 2010 21:11:35 GMT
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got one for my cub90... seems the same as normal... but red..
cough cough ... anyone wanna buy a c90 ...... cough cough
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Sept 24, 2010 21:44:16 GMT
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seems to make sense because otherwise if they took your car off you and crushed it, surely this would be theft. There is a current argument over this - I believe someone is or just has taken this up with the courts... apparently, technically, DVLA have no rights to enforce anything unless you let them...
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Hirst
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Sept 24, 2010 21:47:53 GMT
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The V5 is just a registration document for the keeper of the car and is not proof of ownership and never was - it's just something so your address is on file for the police, unpaid road tax, etc. The new documents only emphasize this fact, which I think is fair enough as there seems to be some confusion amongst the public.
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Proof of ownershipretrowagen1234
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Sept 24, 2010 21:52:19 GMT
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hmm hate getting into an argument about it, But ive never seen how the dvla can claim rights to a car.. I would have thought at best they could un register it.. Then probably have ya done for displaying false plates... Say you do something illegal , i.e run a car with no tax, How could the dvla take the car then press charges. Surely the best they could do is report you for not taxing it..... and let the police do there worst? My way of thinking in that respect is the , Innocent until proven guilty thing.. As surely its got to be illegal to take it away before its been proven in the court of law that you are guilty of wrongdoing?
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Lawsy
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Sept 24, 2010 22:57:32 GMT
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woah..
no one saing anything against the document - my question was now its spelled out, what actually classes as proof of ownership, I'd have guessed a receipt or some kind - or even just possession..
that was the question - not moaning about what the V5 means
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Sept 25, 2010 7:24:35 GMT
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DVLA can "claim" or rather confiscate a car because the government gave them powers to do so. As can the armed forces, your local council, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs and the Police. Possibly a select other bunch of people too.
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kenb
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Sept 25, 2010 12:55:55 GMT
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DVLA cannot claim anyones vehicle except for unpaid road tax and the reg mark. VOSA can, as can the Police. It usually either of these 2 who are called if necessary, as some poor unfortunates found out this week at the DVLA in P'boro after buying a cloned vehicle with a forged older V5C.
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2010 12:59:03 GMT by kenb
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93fxdl
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Sept 25, 2010 15:42:52 GMT
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reguarding the new v5, it seems there is no longer a scrap it yourself option so if you strip a car for spares or weigh it in there is no way to finalise the paperwork unless the shell goes to a end of life vehicle facility which can issue the appropriate paperwork ttfn glenn ps i was caught for no tax about 20 years ago and in court the official statement was the log book/v5 is NOT a legal document which i thought strange as you can be fined for failing to keep it up to date, so does this mean you could be fined for an out of date shopping list?
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`state
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Sept 25, 2010 16:15:02 GMT
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All they`ve done with regards to you not being able to declare it scrapped yourself is to cause another new problem.People will now just make a name and address up and send the v5 off as vehicle sold. Another bright idea by the mindless muppets at swansea.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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