Rich
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Jun 28, 2010 14:28:16 GMT
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Well, I'm not giving you curse word dude, I'm just saying its a bit of a shock, thats all. Admitedly, it would be used for spares for an even more rare brethren, but still a shock! At the end of the day, you do as you see fit, I'm not gonna hate you for it, you will still have the Santana. And I honestly would give you a hand getting it all sorted, I'm not all mouth and no trousers
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Jun 28, 2010 14:37:47 GMT
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That's a tough call mate and I appreciate times are tough but to be totally honest those fails are little more than service items. If you make 1 good car from the 2 things like shocks, springs, brake disks & pads, perished pipes, clutches, etc.. are all gonna need replacing periodically anyway.. Please don't read that as 'having a go' or whatever, cos I'm not, but if a car of mine was gonna fail an MoT I'd take stuff like that over structural rot or pita suspension bushes any day HC.
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 14:38:09 GMT
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the things that just wound me up are the comments just received..
I posted before that torrent that I was taking the santana for a spin to think about it
this weekend I've been toying with the idea of breaking the Santana into the wagon, which a few, yourself included rich thought was a good idea - so why is it ok for the santana which is a rarer car to get broken but this isnt..
I am weighing up the options,
they are.
fork out more than i paid for the car, get it sorted and MOT'd then do up, which then means I'll end up not using the santana so I could just sell that now..
take my time, tinker on the drive, hey i got 2 other cars so whats the rush..
brake the Santana and use with this to make a GX5 wagon
Brake the wagon and use a good parts donor for the santana..
at the moment it makes more sense to break this for parts for the Santana - but I wasnt expecting to be moaned at for it!
Questions sitting in my mind, what is a povvo spec passat estate going to be worth a full MOT - £400 - £500 tops, I'm into £300 now so if i do the work and get it MOT'd whats the chances of me selling it for £500 - I'd say not a lot as its been up for sale since January for less with no takers.
partly i wish i hadnt bought it paid £100 for 2 doors the santana, but i did buy it with honest good intentions of running it short term..
so if anyone is serious and wants to take it for the £300 I'm into for it then speak up - please...
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 14:41:22 GMT
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so my main question should be to myself..
keep the santana or the wagon - either way one has to go..
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Jun 28, 2010 14:54:18 GMT
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Hey, its your car at the end of the day so you should do as you see fit.
However, If you buy a nice old tank thats still as tidy as that at 23 years old, and then post up on a car enthusiast forum that you're scrapping it over a couple of strut tops and a steering damper I think you are leaving yourself wide open to abuse! I presume you were just expecting this £200 motor to breeze the test without needind a spanner put on it??
The car looks great man, I love these old passats and I hope you can find a way for it to live on.
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Jun 28, 2010 15:00:33 GMT
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I HATE these jobs. Normally have me sat reverse in the drivers seat, with my feet out the sunroof. All to poke a poxy cable through the bulkhead/access fusebox/see where the hell this thing dropped from.
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Jun 28, 2010 15:06:42 GMT
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Just like a ford clutch ratchet..........
10 minutes and its time to hurl..................
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 15:27:33 GMT
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Hey, its your car at the end of the day so you should do as you see fit. However, If you buy a nice old tank thats still as tidy as that at 23 years old, and then post up on a car enthusiast forum that you're scrapping it over a couple of strut tops and a steering damper I think you are leaving yourself wide open to abuse! I presume you were just expecting this £200 motor to breeze the test without needind a spanner put on it?? The car looks great man, I love these old passats and I hope you can find a way for it to live on. the £200 went through its last MOT 2'5k miles ago and we only offered £200 to stop it going to the scrappy -thought we'd use the parts ourselves, then it drove home nice - wasnt expecting it to sail through the MOT - maybe i shouldnt have done a thread on it and just whacked it in and then made the decision if it was just stru tops and a steering damper i wouldnt have even bothered posting and they'd be getting done right now, the bits i coudl do, where done last week, the £200 car is now a £300 car, where do I stop when its only ever going to be worth £500!!! if it was the struts themselves, Cv boots - still not an issue.. car stinking of petrol on a run - causes an issue, where do you start looking, we thought we'd found it yesterday, but its got worse.. The tappits rattling away - another job, clutch needs doing, wrong exhaust fitted, needs a new headlight as all mounts are cracked and was bodged for MOT need both front doors welding up and then painting, needs a new bonnet, 1 rear door, both rear arches.. and i still need a load of stuff for the santana I'm still toying with the idea of it becoming a long project, but then the santana will defo have to go.. I love the old passats too and woudl be a shame to see it in pieces i agree to that.. I'm kind of annoyed wih myself for starting this thread now, shoudl have kept quiet
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mrj
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Jun 28, 2010 15:42:17 GMT
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sad, but true, these cars are at least 23 years old and some smaller repairs sum up; i have a similar car in my workshop, which needs some attention to get it through the TÜV, you'd struggle to get 500 Euros with 2 years TÜV , so breaking seems to be "sensible" . If you want to keep it and you can afford two toys, then all can be done cheaply , as it is straight forward. If you can't afford it, or don't have the time to look for two cars, then sell it /break it.
I know myself; if i would keep the other wagon i have, i'd spend a lot of money to bring it to my standards, which wouldn't raise the value significantly ....
fuel lines, shock absorbers,brakes etc. are not that expensive, but it sums up .... the strut tops are a common failure, they hardly last longer than a year .
If you are going to break it, keep in mind, that a lot of parts do not fit the Santana (gear box, engine auxilliaries, front suspension, steering parts etc.) , you could use the doors, wings, bonnets etc. I am not sure about the tow bar though...
if you fancy a holiday in the fatherland, let me know, we could make a workshop then ;D
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- 1971 VW 1600 TL Fastback - 1978 Passat GLS Variant - 1980 Audi 100 5E - 1981 VW aircooled panel van (sold) - 1983 VW Jetta Mk.I - 1984 VW Polo Coupé - 1984 VW Passat hatchback - 1987 VW Passat Variant - 1987 VW Passat hatchback - 1988 VW T25
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 15:51:52 GMT
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I'd love a holiday in the fatherland..
Its not about the money now for me, its about everything else which is why I'm having a quandry
yeah I could go out and buy the parts and get them fitted, maybe not this month, had to MOT the daily as well and also road tax the santana.. so all stung a bit..
for me the cost of putting this right, then road tax would be more than its value, then I still need to source doors for this/santana etc etc etc
I think the decision time for me is either sell it on and hope someone else wants to save it, or transfer what I can to the santana..
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Last Edit: Jun 28, 2010 15:52:35 GMT by Lawsy
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 16:01:57 GMT
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as to usable parts for my santana
interior - dash, switches, front seats, door cards - all better (and by better i mean colour/design just as much as quality) the glass, well doors anyway the rear doors, wings, trim (bonnet as a temporary as the santana's is better) rear beam, bushes plus whatever else i find
a mate is also doing an audi 80, with same engine, gearbox running gear from up too
however if i keep it i'd want to do everything that needs doing.. which is all the MOT failiure items Clutch Tappits find the petrol leak and sort the stink suspension all round = stance rear arches new bonnet new headlights - 1 cracked and 1 has a very loose mount wheels exhaust system brakes polish roof bars paint whole car
then to top it off, had a message form one of the previous owners, I'm suprised it hasnt been scrapped by now.. lol
oh what to do!!
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y282
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Jun 28, 2010 16:07:58 GMT
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stand it up for a few days, let your head clear and the decision will come to you. I understand the parts source for the other car, that's logical, but if it's also good enough to run, maybe let it go to someone who will fix it.
for me, it would come down to how easily/quickly you could sell it on as is. maybe set a timescale ie 1 or 2 weeks and if it hasn't gone by then, fate is letting you know to use it for parts.
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Last Edit: Jun 28, 2010 16:08:56 GMT by y282
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 16:15:19 GMT
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stand it up for a few days, let your head clear and the decision will come to you. I understand the parts source for the other car, that's logical, but if it's also good enough to run, maybe let it go to someone who will fix it. for me, it would come down to how easily/quickly you could sell it on as is. maybe set a timescale ie 1 or 2 weeks and if it hasn't gone by then, fate is letting you know to use it for parts. thats pretty much what i just said to mrslawsy.. only snag is it has been up for sale since janury for £450 with tax n mot, for me to let it go now i'd want the majority of my £300 back.. so yes its going to sit on the driveway for a few days before i do anything (might do a seat swap as thats easy and they are so much more comfy than the santana's) and tomorrow I'm going to the local motorfactors and will price up all the parts too
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y282
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Jun 28, 2010 16:21:49 GMT
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yeah, stick a fortnight on it, then if it hasn't had any interest you can break it for bits with a clear conscience.
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10mpg
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Jun 28, 2010 19:29:16 GMT
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personally I'd break the santana into the estate shell, but that's because I like estates...
Neither car is so rare as to make it a crime to break, so go with whichever would give you the most pleasure to own...
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 19:52:31 GMT
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personally I'd break the santana into the estate shell, but that's because I like estates... Neither car is so rare as to make it a crime to break, so go with whichever would give you the most pleasure to own... I have toyed with that idea already, I do like estates that is a fact, a big one too.. if the estate was a 5 pot then I'd be at it already, but to transfer engine and everything else it is beyond my know how.. the estate is defo more handy, which leads me to the daily,when its daily renewal time we've decided to get a wagon then, so i thin the santana in the long run will be the more pleasurable
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mrj
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Jun 28, 2010 20:02:24 GMT
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ah, just read that, an engine conversion is not so easy as it looks, as the Santana has an auto box, so you would also need the big tunnel , the 5pot doesn't mate to the 4pot manual box.... and you have to do some major metal work, as the engine mounts are different (the 4pot sits on the subframe, the 5pot on the chassis rails) and you need to change the front panel , as it is different, too .... it is do-able, but nut plug and play .... you can compare the character of both cars, the 5pot is much smoother, where the 4pot is a bit more like a GTI .... i am still not decided yet, what i like more, both is nice ... the 4pot handles better and uses less fuel, doesn't sound that nice of course ... the Estate would be a perfect daily driver and if it is up-to-date from the mechanical side, bulletptoof and very reliable ....
i would sleep a couple of nights over it, once you brake it you will surely regret it soon ....
i can do some brainwash at RR if you wish ;D
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- 1971 VW 1600 TL Fastback - 1978 Passat GLS Variant - 1980 Audi 100 5E - 1981 VW aircooled panel van (sold) - 1983 VW Jetta Mk.I - 1984 VW Polo Coupé - 1984 VW Passat hatchback - 1987 VW Passat Variant - 1987 VW Passat hatchback - 1988 VW T25
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 20:08:46 GMT
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the Estate would be a perfect daily driver I can do some brainwash at RR if you wish ;D you are a fountain of all things knowledgeable ;D ;D the problem is my Daily is a B6 passat 140 TDI.. so as much as I'd like the wagon as a daily, it wont meet up to those standards... i think i now know i shoudl stick to 2 cars, 1 retro, 1 daily.. lol Looking forward to seeing yours at the gathering...
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Lawsy
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Jun 28, 2010 20:16:12 GMT
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At the end of the day, you do as you see fit, I'm not gonna hate you for it, you will still have the Santana. And I honestly would give you a hand getting it all sorted, I'm not all mouth and no trousers Cheers mate i appreciate that
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Chuff
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Jun 28, 2010 20:22:08 GMT
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decision made then
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