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I'm not wearing dodgy sunglasses!
I meant there. Over here you've seen what happens when some people get their hands on tin with plenty of 'enthusiasm'
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Yes but how do they do things like the 'NHOA Hot olds' meet? The 'NHOA Hot old meet' does have a lot of run-of the mill 70's/ early 80's saloon car stuff NOT necessarily expensive 70's cars! A lot of these cars at this meet I am sure (not wishing to be derogatory) are NOT owned by wealthy people. At the end of the day most of us (regardless of where we live in the world) who run older cars do so because we CANNOT afford new cars!
As for buying a new car then scraping it a 7 year old ... ...anybody who can afford to do that must be very, VERY rich!
If I had to do that on the money I earn I think I would be financially destitue after the first car ;D
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I've no idea how the 70s CROWNs and Laurels and Sunnys survive. There certainly aren't many on the roads over there.
You don't have to be very rich to scrap a 7 year old car in Japan. Put it this way, if you were told that it was going to cost you ten grand to keep your car on the road you'd scrap it.
The Carina was 7 years old, it was due for Shaiken. Shaiken was going to cost, I dunno, £6000 or something mad. For £4000 he could buy a 4 year old Primera. So he scrapped the Carina, bought the Primera and was £2000 better off. Thats the way it works. Nobody would BUY the Carina because they'd have to pay the Shaiken. So it was scrapped. Thats the way that the Japanese government promotes new car sales! Its a stitch up, but thats how it goes. Also the prices of cars is much less there anyway. My mum was looking at buying an SUV, my brother recommended a Nissan model that sells in Japan for just under £15000, in the UK the same model was £33,000 on the road!
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Also - do we really only buy old cars because new ones are too expensive? I've had £16K in an old car before... I buy old cars because its what I like. I don't think a '29 Ford hot rod is going to be a cheap car in any market...
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I see your point about cost but my point is still how can you afford to scrap a car so new. Even a £4000 for the primera if I were to spend that much on a car I would want more the a few years out of it! Whislt I agree with your statement (and yes I really do like my Jalopies), I have said before that if ever 'normal' old car ownership starts costing me more a month than what it would equivalent a new car a month on the Never Never/funny finance (which I will never do and never have) then it will be time for me to retire from driving and take the bus (...what few there are ;D). Each to his own and I'm certainly not telling others how they should spend their money
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alistairk in da house: and I ask him about the Japanese car scene and he says "there isn't much of one really"In Japan when it comes to motor culture it has alot to do with what type of people you hang with, I have friends in the real estate biz over there and they have never seen a 1000hp Skyline (they would not know what it was even if it bit them), a Zero Chopper, Hot Rod or Custom but talk to the people within the scene and they know, it's not as big as in the States or here in Sweden but motor culture is taken real, real, real serious by it's participants. If you build Rods you do it like a Samurai, if you build Zoomers you do it with the same precision and feel for detail as a good sushi chef, if you build Choppers you do it Sumo style. I have a bunch of connections over there since I have had some of my scooters & Stripper Bikes featured in Japanese Bike & Scooter Rags, I have also written some stories for Street Fighter & Rod Rags so I guess I have a slight feel for what's going on over there... The thing with their inspection (your MOT, our Bilprovning) and tax system is insane and is doing it's best to kill off everything older, older big cc bikes like a Harley is almost impossible to own and insure, the 400cc limit on bikes was in the 80's a stop for larger bikes to be used, Ducati even had a Monster 400cc for Japan only, but as of lately the 400cc regs have been loosened up. But just like here in Sweden most modified cars & bikes the owners don't get their rides inspected on a regular basis, I guess most of the cars above is not officially on the road, I have a close friend here in Sweden who owns 15 Corvettes, 3 El Camino and 2 daily drivers and according to him "I have stopped going to get my cars inspected once a year, if I did I would spend most of my time doing that. If I get pulled over and fined, fine I go and have it inspected and I'll take the 600SEK fine but since the inspection cost 450SEK/car/year I have saved a small fortune over the years", myself I do not get my bikes inspected but I pay tax and insurance and drive them happily knowing that if I get caught I have to take care of it.... Just to show you some of what's going on in the scooter scene where I just now is writing a story for a Swedish Bike Rag and a Japanese Scooter Rag about the two scenes, check this out: www.tokyo-parts.co.jp/photogallery/photo.html Zoomania is going wild in Japan, the Honda Zoomer scoot is THE thing to have and it's sold by the 100.000's over there and I guess that most of you guys, even though you live in England don't know that Zoomania is also growing like an avalance in your backyard, Intersection Magazine together with Honda UK is doing a good job pushing this.... DP says: Waiting for delivery of a Zoomer from Honda Sweden to do My Thing on.....
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TwincamGTI - Yeah, the economics of it work out funny. But still, as a lot of cars are bought on the never-never its just the same as just keep paying the £200 a month or whatever the fiance costs and thats just one of your expenses to live/own a car.
I just can't understand people who buy new cars, suffer the depreciation, then buy another new one, or have those private lease deals where you give the car back after 3 years and don't even have anything to show for the £300 a month for 36 months...
I hate losing money on anything, but I'm a tightwad. The car I spent all that money on I lost big time when I sold it. Which I should never have done anyway. But hey, we all live and learn.
Owning older cars can be far far cheaper than newer ones. My Sport Fury won't be a cheap car by the time its finished. I guess it will still be cheaper than buying an "equivalent" new car - I suppose the only equivalent new car would be the Dodge Charger or something?
I like some of the new cars out now. I just can't afford nor would I waste the money on them if I could afford one. I might run to £5K on a modern car if it was something I really wanted and I had the cash spare. Thing is you can always buy something nicer for £5K...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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dp - yeah, I know theres a harrdcore, and they do it serious style... What I was just trying to say is that its not mainstream there. You read some of the mags and websites and it makes it sound like every Japanese guy has a rod or a mod of some sort. Kind of like when you first go to the states you are disappointed its not wall to wall rods and customs... Although theres more mainstream in it there, or more of it in the mainstream, if you see what I mean.
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I just can't understand people who buy new cars, suffer the depreciation, then buy another new one, or have those private lease deals where you give the car back after 3 years and don't even have anything to show for the £300 a month for 36 months... Because every morning my wife gets into one of the safest cars on the road, drives 30 miles to work on the motorway, at 70mpg and the car works come rain or shine and I don't need to MOT it for the next 3 years.... That'll be why people do it. It's totally stress free. On the other hand my car only cost a grand and a half and I budget 60 quid a month to keep it running. It breaks at random, it doesn't always pass it's MOT which causes hassle. I asked my friend Tetsu about what they do in Japan with the older cars, he has a full on Garuchan car.
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Alistairk: I think we have the same ideas/views on modern car ownership Trouble is in my country to get the 'Tax' you have to produce your M.O.T certificate and if you have no M.O.T your insurrance cover can be void!
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HotWire in da house: Because every morning my wife gets into one of the safest cars on the road, drives 30 miles to work on the motorway, at 70mpg and the car works come rain or shine and I don't need to MOT it for the next 3 years
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I have owned brand new and older cars & bikes for some 30 years now and I can wholeheartedly chime in with HotWire, my GF is driving a Volvo Wagon and I feel safe that she and the dogs will come home every evening, myself I drive my slightly used Skoda PickUp but if I did not have a workshop full of motorcycles in differing states of completion that drains my wallet I would drive a brand new something PickUp, preferably diesel, if I did not have to haul bikes around I would once again be in a brand spanking new Brabus Smart since that's IMO the best little fun car in the world.....
TwincamGTI in da house: Trouble is in my country to get the 'Tax' you have to produce your M.O.T certificate and if you have no M.O.T your insurrance cover can be void!
Tough s*it.......
DP says: Back to Hot Japanese Hot Rods that started this topic out, please.....
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Thats my friends car
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Thought it was!
Hope you don't mind (you stuck it up on a past thread) 'cause I want to use the piccy for when 'scratch' build a Model 'Bosozuku' Car kit.
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Thought it was! Hope you don't mind (you stuck it up on a past thread) 'cause I want to use the piccy for when 'scratch' build a Model 'Bosozuku' Car kit. Course I don't mind...are you crazy? Would love to see the model when you've built it in the mean time....
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TwinCamGTI - I have no idea what is involved in a Japanese test, or how strict they are, or how easy it is to "get around". As those crazy vans they like to build seem to have no rules prohibiting poor taste mods LOL. Not sure there would be anything on one of those cars which would fail a British MOT. Just because they are whacky styled doesn't mean they are unsafe.
I would imagine Japanese rodders have different range of problems, and worse problems, as they have to import the car and get it registered in order to use it. I've never heard any discussion on the whys and wherefores of importing **to** Japan. Although he did once coment "I live in a crazy country where a bunch of grapes costs more than a CD midi system because the grapes have to be imported!"
My brother may not be the best person to ask about regs, he's a new-car-guy.
on the "my wife needs a modern car" thing, well thats a whole nother topic and as dp says, probably best moved to another topic if you want to keep on it. I'll just say you chose to live your life and spend your money what ever way suits you. I've done 70 miles a day commutes in old cars and in new ones and it takes it out of you either way. I don't distance commute now, and I won't again, its not worth it. I'm not convinced the only value of a modern isn't just psychological in that respect. Financially the extra money gained from having a job away from home means you waste a ton on fuel and depreciation and possibly finance as well?
My work life ballance means I stick close to home now.
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Ooh Aah, er... yes I could drone on here about this and although I don't do a 'long distance' down motorway I have decided when I get made redundant from my current establishment (which IS going to happen within 2 years ...no ones fault just a 'sign of the times') I will get a job that is within walking distance of my house. ...because the way things are going in this country I can see myself being priced off the road ;D Sorry to go off topic Oh and VERY nice rod pictures
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Custom Car has an occasional feature on the Japanese scene. I have to check the heading properly as the photos are so similar to their regular So-Cal coverage... Weather even looks as nice.
Regardless of origin I can't take some of the more extreme styled examples seriously though.
The stuff which actually looks like what it is / is supposed to be is cool as hell though.
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alistark in da house: I would imagine Japanese rodders have different range of problems, and worse problems, as they have to import the car and get it registered in order to use it.
What I have undrestood from Rodders & Chopper builders they usually strip the car or bike down to atoms and then ship it over as junk or parts that way getting around tough import restrictions, sure the import duties on junk or parts are high but nothing compared to a complete car or bike.....
I have a friend, a Surfer Dude from Newport Beach Cali who works as a modell doing much of Toyotas advertizing material, he works on a temporary biz visa and can stay for 3 months then he has to leave for 2 weeks when Toyota renews his visa, most of the time he goes to OZ or Bali to surf and then it's back to Tokyo and 3 months of work (tough life). At one time after he had worked for 4 years Toyota wanted to give him a present, he was alowed to pick out any Toyota he wanted, ofcouse he went for a loaded twin turbo Supra, alls well, he went to pick up the car at a Tokyo dealership, "no problem we just need to see a garage contract since if you want the car here in Tokyo it's a must before it can be registered", cool said Darren and off to his landlord for a garage space, the prize of a garage space in central Tokyo would cost him twice what his 1-bedroom flat cost so NO car for Darren he now drives a DP Race Tech Harley....
DP says: Japan the country of strange rules & laws......
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