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I've driven an awful lot of brands. ANd one thing I have learnt... ALL cars are curse word.
Peer pressure is what I see causing blinkers. You can't be accepted in a crowd if the lifestyle is as important as the cars, unless you bash other cars. In a crowd like RR where its about the cars and not the surrounding scene and sociality (as much) then you can be open without the fear of your 'mates' poking fun at you. It's kinda like liking the foreign national girl at school. Sure, shes hot, and you would go out with her, but your mates and you all act the lad and poke fun. Meanwhile, when you're out of school, or left school, then you're able to appreciate openly and next thing you know Valentina Simunova and you are getting engaged*. Peer pressure. Its a powerful thing!
*hope no-one is offended by by analogy. I'm of eastern european descent myself so there, anyway.
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RobinJI
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............The best swap I've seen recently was a Mk 1 Escort with a Peugeot Mi 16 engine it, thus upsetting the French hot hatch boys and the 'Scrote purists. Heroic. That is pretty epic. I'm curious to see what peoples reaction is to me putting the VW 20vt in the mini. Not had any negative responces yet, but I haven't dared put it on any Marque specific forums.
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You should try owning a Vauxhall. Everyone hates them. They should be called 'Hitlers'. Someone who claims to love every marque can suddenly turn into a raging psychopath unleashing years of bottled up vitriol if you bring them up on a forum other than a Vauxhall one!
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You should try owning a Vauxhall. Everyone hates them. They should be called 'Hitlers'. Someone who claims to love every marque can suddenly turn into a raging psychopath unleashing years of bottled up vitriol if you bring them up on a forum other than a Vauxhall one! i love old vauxhalls just hate trying to get bits for them infact that's probably the only reason I've had lots of fords in the past really not because i like the cars but because they were always easier to get bits for than other marques. but they are not so easy to get the bits for now days though so id think a little more before getting one now
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Davenger
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Why are some people brand anal?Davenger
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I like Vauxhalls too. I was looking for a Viva/MK1 Cavalier when I bought my Avenger. Had my eye on a Cavalier coupe 1.9 in red with a red interior, it was awesome, and a long way out of my price range ;D
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Funny how things are different in different parts of the world.
I've owned the following brands:
Opel Saab Volvo Ford Willys Mercedes-Benz (I also count my Hanomag as one this time)
Willys, well, that's a jeep that is mostly used as a toy and most people have other dailies. ;D I only had the Saab for a few days so I can't say a lot about Saab people.
But I've encountered this experiences in Sweden:
OPEL: Many of the people owning one is getting curse word of by the fact that most people think that Opel is a crappy car. To seek revenge, they do hate all the other brands because after all, people driving other brands hate Opels so why behave different? Still, many of the owners secretly dream about a BMW but are too careful with their money and buys an Opel instead since it is german too, but a little cheaper. Also fun is that many Opel drivers seems to hate Saabs, and yet, a modern Saab and a modern Opel does look the same under the shell.
FORD: The Ford crowd here seems to be very open minded and often likes other brands too. When I had my Sierra I only got positive criticism for my other projects by the Ford people. They can have a bit of humor and a bit of distance to their own brand. Doesn't seem to take everything so seriously.
VOLVO: WORST! The Volvo owners does know that Volvos will never break down (after all, Volvo invented AND patented the quality, and how to build a reliable car is a secret that only Volvo knows, like the Coca cola recipe), Volvos will never rust (then why have I scrapped a lot of Volvos DUE to rust???), and to crash in anything except a Volvo will mean that you're dead (if a 340 and a new BMW 7 series have a head on crash with each other at the same speed, the 340 driver will only have a broken thumb while the 7 series driver absolutely will die at the scene). They know that, because their father had a Volvo and he said that, and their grandfather had a Volvo and he said that, and...
Still, even if Volvo is the worlds best car, used Volvos are cheap. Because of that, nobody wants to pay a nickel for used Volvo parts. Why? "They are just for an old Volvo, that car ain't worth anything".
Strange.
MB: There is a very strong brand loyalty here. But it is nicer than the Volvo / Opel crowd have got. While it is like "People who doesn't drive Volvos are idiots", it is more "Mercedes is the worlds best car, I am glad that I realized that and I hope that more people will, for their own sake". In the Mercedes crowd, people seldom sell their cars for buying anything else than another Mercedes, but they actually CAN have another car along the Mercedes, and the bottomline is almost always "It is a nice car, but never as nice as a Mercedes".
Of course, this is the situation in Sweden that may be completely different in the UK. Personally, I like cars, not brands... In fact, almost every brand has a car that I don't like, and almost every brand also have a car that I DO like. It is a shame that some people have to be so narrow-minded.
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I love Fords I love Pintos ........But I love everything else too All cars are awesome and curse word in equal measure. Yep being brand loyal is fine (if you like that kinda thing), but slagging off other because of some kind of misguided superiority is just sad! Admitedly I do hate most French curse word but decent engineering is always going to impress me, whoever its made by. There seems to be this widely held opinion that anything made by the French is rubbish. Okay so the build quality isnt quite as good as your average German car, but have you compared the price of a new C4 to a new Golf? ANYWAY: The French have produced some of the most stunning designed and cutting edge cars ever. Go on then hit me with all these curse word french cars? What are they?
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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stealthstylz
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I think the problem VW owners have with French cars is that no matter what anybody says the hot Golfs have never been as quick as the hot Renaults (and the 205 Gti). Who cares if there are a few rattles and the interior trim falls to bits. In a hot hatch I wanna get in and drive very fast with no regards to comfort, not be wafted along in an overweight, slow mediocre hatch.
Matt
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Going a bit off topic, but I agree with the French thing, especially Citroen. It's not beautiful, it's just 'out of this world' and very daring. Don't think the 205 belongs in that list though, it's very average.
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I think the problem VW owners have with French cars is that no matter what anybody says the hot Golfs have never been as quick as the hot Renaults (and the 205 Gti). Who cares if there are a few rattles and the interior trim falls to bits. In a hot hatch I wanna get in and drive very fast with no regards to comfort, not be wafted along in an overweight, slow mediocre hatch. Matt haha... i love 205's , clios and r5s but ... i don't agree with the above... golfs do tend to be better than the french counterparts... countless road tests have proven it.... coming on to nowadays I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure a r32 could blow the doors off most french equivilvents... and I'm not sticking up for golfs as some of you may know i hate the bloody things.... ;D and we have two french cars here a DS and a mk1 106 which are both great... so i base my oppinions entriely as i find them... not brand loyalty
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dugong
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I think the problem VW owners have with French cars is that no matter what anybody says the hot Golfs have never been as quick as the hot Renaults (and the 205 Gti). Who cares if there are a few rattles and the interior trim falls to bits. In a hot hatch I wanna get in and drive very fast with no regards to comfort, not be wafted along in an overweight, slow mediocre hatch. Matt haha... I love 205's , clios and r5s but ... I don't agree with the above... golfs do tend to be better than the french counterparts... countless road tests have proven it.... coming on to nowadays I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure a r32 could blow the doors off most french equivilvents... and I'm not sticking up for golfs as some of you may know I hate the bloody things.... ;D and we have two french cars here a DS and a mk1 106 which are both great... so I base my oppinions entriely as I find them... not brand loyalty With you there chap but I think the cars that the French hot hatch fans get hung up on are the equivalent VAG stuff from the 'heyday' of the 205 and R5 GTT, I.e. the Mk2 Golf GTI 16v. Either that or they just want to have a pop at the Mk3 and 4 Golf GTI, which weren't the best to be honest. The marque faithful have a pretty selective view of history. No manufacturer's output has been consistently brilliant - there's peaks and troughs in every car maker's annals. People who have a preference towards one make over another tend to use the nadir of a particular model's history to attack the whole line. Witness the Escort hater who'd owned a Mk 5 or 6, which were hardly the zenith of Escort production. With cars, I hate the term 'brand'. This is a moniker fashionista idiots use to blather on about their favourite handbag or product at any given second. I realise these are commodities we're talking about so shouldn't be termed differently, but it still annoys me a bit. The French have definitely lost the art of playing to their strengths. What you lost in build quality with a 306 you gained in handling and ride comfort, and a surprising degree of mechanical durability. Granted, the dashboard would be creaking and the clock wouldn't work, but you could throw it down a country road with a silly grin on your face knowing it would be fun. I know most of that was a journalistic cliche though. Nowadays what PSA in particular seem to do is make off kilter copies of VAG cars, particularly in regards to dynamics and styling. Yet the secondary reliability issues - I.e. bits of the interior breaking, frangible bits of body trim falling off - still haven't been banished. This is my C4 I'm talking about now, with its lumpen ride and myriad irritating faults. As Mr Calvert would say, unconcerned of such trivial matters, 'It doesn't matter as long as the car works'. Sorry Jacques, not when I've pasted £13k of my own hard earned into the legacy of one of your cars. Not when I did it out of misguided 'brand' loyalty. I'm sick of my glovebox breaking, coin trays jamming, door cards squeaking and wipers failing at life every time it happens to rain on the way home from work. That's why I'm going Japanese the next time I need a daily. Sorry.
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Last Edit: Nov 8, 2009 11:32:38 GMT by dugong
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I hate modern VAGs. Everything I hate about moderns I can attribute to VAG. They all look the same (literlly in same cases), people say they're "high quality"- I've yet to see anything that backs that up specifically and they're full of nonsense tech that nobody needs. And somehow Audi has convinced everyone they're some how awesome.
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MWF
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hmmm this thread is now taking a somewhat ironic turn
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tetleysid
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Vive la difference from a VW nut who loves anything mechanical ;D
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hmmm this thread is now taking a somewhat ironic turn in what way exactly?
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hmmm this thread is now taking a somewhat ironic turn ;D
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The VW fraternity can be some of the worst for this. After 20 years in and out of it I can't be bothered any longer! I have a Karmann Ghia which I just don't bother taking to VW shows as I cannot stand how anal many people who attend are. I even remember being refused to attend a cruise to a show as my Air cooled was in for repair and my Scirocco was banned! I didn't stay in that VW Club any longer! If you like a particlular brand then, great! But if others choose to drive something that you wouldn't personally then don't disrespect other people choices. I own a BMW, Merc, VW and I sell Kia's for a living. The more variety the better. Fords, Renaults, whatever! That's the great thing about this forum. Almost everyone on here enjoys learning about other marques and will have a nice comment about other peoples pride and joy, even if it's not something they would own. Ahhh, feel better now!
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Last Edit: Nov 8, 2009 12:18:37 GMT by veedubman
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I hate modern VAGs. Everything I hate about moderns I can attribute to VAG. They all look the same (literlly in same cases), people say they're "high quality"- I've yet to see anything that backs that up specifically and they're full of nonsense tech that nobody needs. And somehow Audi has convinced everyone they're some how awesome. i think the vw quality thing is something thats a bit outdated now.... they are pretty damn solid i.e they tend not to creak and rattle... but they have this amazing ability to rot now... unlike the earlier versions (80's) its possible to see a mid to late 90s vw rotting away like hell now whereas the 80s equivilent will be carrying on... i think that was the pinnicle realy... 80S 70'S vws rot... alot. and anything after 89 ish when they spread out alot with manufacture... i.e all polos made in spain... i think the audi thing is a bit more of a fashion thing now, noticed how many young buisnessmen drive sporty audis and saloons rather than the bimmers and mercs that used to be more common?
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hmmm this thread is now taking a somewhat ironic turn I was just about to say - bashing a majority of (for example) VW owners for being elitist / fashion victims is just as bad as those who slate other car marques...
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I think the audi thing is a bit more of a fashion thing now, noticed how many young buisnessmen drive sporty audis and saloons rather than the bimmers and mercs that used to be more common? I can see that upsetting a few people on here.... even so I would say replace the word business men with chavy young posers (mainly) Edited as not to upset Audi owners i like them I'm just saying i have 2 mates that bought them this year just because they want to look gangster lol SAD ;D
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Last Edit: Nov 8, 2009 12:35:36 GMT by bigkris
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