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This happens a lot on the Peugeot forums. A lot of people are under the belief that if it's not a PSA product then it's not worth the time. A few of those "reccomend me a new car" threads come up every now and again and it's allways PSA products that get reccomended and everything else gets a stuck up snort, as if they're a lot worse It's like, seriously there are better cars out there
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Don't get it personally, I know folk who are not only completely brand-loyal but also wouldn't dream of showing any enthusiasm for a particular model and swear it's the best car to own in the world ever. Weird. Fear of the unknown?
It can be daunting learning all the peculiarities of a different make.
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In mid-life classic car-less wilderness. 2001 Audi A6 avant...
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switch their elitist views depending whatever they own at the time. Yeah, that bugs me the most! I don't have brand loyalty, or elitism, But at the same time i have my favs. But whatever is good for me, i'll never bad mouth someones pride and joy whatever it is. I have a laugh and a joke with some mates about their cars that's about it. I love my Fords, but I'm always the first to admit when it comes to the Honda (or mazda's in the past etc) and people ask why a Honda (or other) i always say the same thing "Cause every ford fan needs one" ;D
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...because almost 200 brake in a mk1 escort is better than almost 200 brake in the skip ......unless the escort is considered the skip I spose.... which is a possibility ;D each to their own is what I say, I am a die hard ford man without a doubt but I do like & appreciate most other stuff. the gathering this year was my first one & the best show i'd been to for years from a people, car & photography point of view Mk 1 Escorts are not skips. I love Mk 1 Escorts. I just don't like Pinto engines. They're very heavy, they have a curse word cylinder head and you have to spend an arm and a leg on them to get decent power. Why anyone bothers with them is a bit beyond me, there's engines in Ford's own stable that are way better. I think it's more the 'I like what I know and I know what I like' mentality that puts me off Pintos. I know of far too many rare and interesting (non Ford) cars that have been butchered by people dropping Pintos into them when 10 minutes of Internet research would have got them the parts they needed . A recent Datsun springs to mind. Plus if you're going to do an engine swap, you want the best possible engine you can, not a boat anchor. Fords have a similarly loyal following to VWs, but from what I've seen, it's more an obsession with making a car run fast and properly that being an extension of your lifestyle. All subjective. i love modern engines in old cars be it duratec escorts, old beemers with m3 power or rotary in an old J motor for example...... my pinto choice came down to cost - i couldn't have got the power i have from a modern engine in the mk1 for the same cost of what i bought the pinto i don't think.... anyway, that's a different discussion/arguement altogether & an old one i just have little experience/knowledge of other retro motors really but i do watch & read & try to learn ;D
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purplevanman
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:)It's very simple....ALL CARS other than rear engined Skodas are curse word. It's so obvious, surely! ^^ nearly right... all cars are curse word till I own 'em then they're great never been a brand type of person, never like french stuff but BDs Amy was ace I thought I would never own a Reliant till I got the Rebel and now want more, won't venture to 3 wheels though Done ford, vw, vauxhall, citroen, volvo, reliant, dodge, leyland, austin, lotus, rover and landrover, probably others Liked 'em all and hated 'em all at some point ;D ;D
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Welder, fabricator, general resto work
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I never thought i'd like my XJ40 as much as i do, i thought they were cheap, cop out, watered down 80's copies of the proper old XJ's, but as it happens it drives really well, its quiet, comfy, handles really well for a big car despite the over light steering, was apparently one of the safest cars on the road in its day and despite the random dash warning lights problem they seem really reliable from what i can make out, basically you get the old XJ "feel" in a cheaper to run car so my main gripe with all my old jags, the expense of running them has been improved. You cant tell what you'll like till you live with it for a while i reckon (unless its FWD)
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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alex77
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My girlfriend says that she thinks I m trying to own one of ever car made. No brand loyalty ever though I always seem to have one dub but there are lots of better cars. Though why is it it before you buy car you think its a bit rare but as soon as you own it seems like there are loads of em. though saying that i did have a proper mk2 escort fetish when they were cheap (swirling mists of time)
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1978 Capri MK2 Ghia Zetec
1990 Ford escort mk4
1996 Nissan Rasheen
1998 Honda CRV (my wifes)
2002 Alfa 156
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:)It's very simple....ALL CARS other than rear engined Skodas are curse word. It's so obvious, surely! ^^ nearly right... all cars are curse word till I own 'em then they're great never been a brand type of person, never like french stuff but BDs Amy was ace I thought I would never own a Reliant till I got the Rebel and now want more, won't venture to 3 wheels though Done ford, vw, vauxhall, citroen, volvo, reliant, dodge, leyland, austin, lotus, rover and landrover, probably others Liked 'em all and hated 'em all at some point ;D ;D Agreed (apart from the Ami bit......it's a Dyane...LOL), I've had dozens of cars over the years and have never really favoured one brand over another.....I'v never really subscribed to this one brand malarkey.......plus, mainly thanks to this place, I keep developing random desires to own vehicles I really shouldn't be seen dead in. At the moment, I have a niggling desire to own an early povo-spec Metro....an itch that will in all probability only be scratched when I've gone out and bought one. Next year........ ;D
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Last Edit: Nov 7, 2009 17:05:09 GMT by briandamaged
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I'm not brand loyal as such.... alot of you have seen my car history... polo ownership as follows *83 saloon *87 saloon *88 ranger *85 bready *89 saloon *82 bready formal e (owned this till very recently) *91 LHD dutch G40 (sold to phil j sad.gif who broke it sad.gif ) *89 bready *88 ranger (another 1) *93 coupe cl (chavtastic piece of curse word angry.gif *83 saloon 1100 *84 bready *78 miami blue mk1 (still own) *90 bready c (current daily) *88 ranger (currently breaking) theres been other dubs and other makes in between lol *59 ford 100e pop *82 ford fiesta xr2 *71 superbug *71 convertible bug *71 1300 with a 1641 and 110 cam *69 vw fastback *70 vw fastback *72 baywindow hightop *83 metro hls slammed on 10" mini alloys *84 bmw m535i *87 nova 1300s *63 vauxhall victor fb estate (slammed ) *84 jetta *78 reliant robin 850s (lowered of course ) *84 vw santana slammed on revos (aka slamtana) as you can see... theres a fair old wack of things in there... but i tend to stick with what i know... and driving a polo puts a smile on my face so thats all that i care about.... ive just driven from southampton --> leeds --> notts -->southampton today in my mk2 with my dad to get bits for my mk1.... it didnt miss a beat... and if it did ive had enough of em that i feel comfortable knowing whats wrong if anything.... there are a few brands i tend to steer away from to an extent due to rust issues.... whereas my mk2s never seem to have anything too seriously wrong with em i have come accross alot of brand loyalists tho... a quick pop over to a huge aircooled forum will give you that... i also have had more than a few vauxhall and ford owners turn there noses up at my cars... one of which called my car an utter piece of SHI*t and why don't i scrap it and buy a vauxhall when i had it up for sale...... just my 2 pennies
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I just don't like Pinto engines. They're very heavy, they have a curse word cylinder head and you have to spend an arm and a leg on them to get decent power. Why anyone bothers with them is a bit beyond me, there's engines in Ford's own stable that are way better. Easy. Because they can. ;D Or because they want to be different to the rest. I've recently watched some japanese dragracing videos and the cars that made me smile the most were some funny cars that still used inline 6 Datsun engines on carbs from the early 70's. They could have probably thrown in a RB26DETT or 2JZ for half the money and gotten twice the power, but they chose not to. Why? Because they could. ;D
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Agree entirely with this. Even if you have a favourite brand, why should that stop you appreciating other stuff as well?
This sort of attitude doesn't stop with the old and modified car crowd though. A lot of people driving around in brand new VWs are so bleedin' SMUG about their choice of car, like it is a cut above everything else, it puts me off ever owning one.
New VWs do have their good points of course, but to me they are very bland and boring to drive with a clunky gear change. Just my opinion of course, but I feel it is more informed than that of most of the owners because of my job. I work for a car rental company and spend all day driving about in cars less than six months old. We have stuff from VW, Ford, Vauxhall, Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat, Seat, Skoda, Audi, Mercedes, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai etc. It soon becomes obvious which are good to drive, which are reliable and so on.
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Yeah people unfortunatly think they are the authority on cars just because they watch topgear. Nothing annoys me more than a Clarkson quote when someone tries to justify their opinion. Tell me about it! Its not a recent thing with the curly-haired (balding) one for us Marina owners.... he's basically a lazy hack who regurgitates whatever info he thinks is right at the time, the sad thing is lots of 'petrolheads' believe him. Anyone with a glimmer of sense knows this, but his target audience are the company car owners who are more interested in the number of toys their cars have ( years ago, I saw two engineers actually have a fight because one's Ford Orion Ghia had electric door mirrors and the other Orion Ghia hadn't..... where the hell have all of those cars gone?) rather than something for the pleasure of driving.... anyhoo, I digress. Okay, I have a fleet of BL tat (Marina GT, Ital estate, Metty Gta, Rover 100 Kensington and a R216) but over the years I've had others including a Cortina, the only reason I dropped that was the drivers seat crippled me, but I look at all cars in reasonable light; they are after all the product of a company being built to do a job and appeal to differing tastes, which they do. Today though, moderns are cookie-cuttered out with trim changes to differentiate marques so to criticise one means you critcise many. I think some get anal about cars purely because they get into a clique they feel comfortable in and then to admit they may have a sneaking admiration for another marque gets them ridicule amongst those they aspire to be with. Hence the circle continues. Daft really.
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored Rover 75 - Barge MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer... MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored Project Minion........ Can you see the theme?
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dugong
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I just don't like Pinto engines. They're very heavy, they have a curse word cylinder head and you have to spend an arm and a leg on them to get decent power. Why anyone bothers with them is a bit beyond me, there's engines in Ford's own stable that are way better. Easy. Because they can. ;D Or because they want to be different to the rest. I've recently watched some japanese dragracing videos and the cars that made me smile the most were some funny cars that still used inline 6 Datsun engines on carbs from the early 70's. They could have probably thrown in a RB26DETT or 2JZ for half the money and gotten twice the power, but they chose not to. Why? Because they could. ;D Actually I've seen my erse on this one. I still don't like Pintos, but I'm going to do the Volvo equivalent of what you've mentioned above. My Amazon will probably end up with a supercharged B20. I could just lob a 16 valve B234 in there and have done with it. Mind you, it still narks me when so many cars have been bodged with a Pinto to keep them going. Then again, they might not be here were it not for some shagged Capri that donated its engine. It's too hard this.
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i've never got the badge snobbery thing either having owned a lot of fords i do tend to go on a lot of ford forums and the ford guys can be amongst the worst for it . fact is ford IMO haven't made a decent car for about 25 years in this country at least . the other thing that annoys me is people who go off on one if you fit an engine from another make in a car . i sometimes wish i'd put a chevy in my tina it would have cost me a damn site less ;D
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I would own anything except a VW or Ford... purely because 90% of the owners (thankfully none on RR...it aint the place) are self-righteous, elitist, blinkered toerags.
(I did have an old ford once...piece of curse word - learnt my lesson)
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350
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I would own anything except a VW or Ford... purely because 90% of the owners (thankfully none on RR...it aint the place) are self-righteous, elitist, blinkered toerags. (I did have an old ford once...piece of curse word - learnt my lesson) But you shouldnt let it put you off i agree with what you say but its the cars i care about the elitists can do one as far as I'm concerned. As they say don't knock it till you try it
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the other thing that annoys me is people who go off on one if you fit an engine from another make in a car. I totally agree. I actually like it when someone puts a 200sx engine in a mk1 escort or a diesel in a hotrod. Whats the problem with it?
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RobinJI
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the other thing that annoys me is people who go off on one if you fit an engine from another make in a car. I totally agree. I actually like it when someone puts a 200sx engine in a mk1 escort or a diesel in a hotrod. Whats the problem with it? Definatly, it's awesome. I actually dislike the fact that I'm putting a VW engine in my mini, as people will assume I did it just because I'm into VW's, rather the the real reason; I'm getting it cheep, and it's a good engine. haha. The up side is, I can go to VW shows and wait for them to ask why I'm there in a mini, then open the boot and point out that it's about half VW. haha. The mini guys can be quite bad at it, refusing to beleive that there's anything better out there, along with the dubbers, the french hot-hatch lot and the ford guys. Luckily my local VW clubs seem to be pretty open minded, infact I've seen everything from 309 GTI's, to minis, to mk1 escorts, to mk1 civics turn up to meets, and all be greeted with respect and intrest. It's odd though, I keep being tempted to sell my Scirocco for a mk1 mr2, and while I think its the practicality putting me off more than anything, there's always this odd feeling in the back of my mind that it just wouldn't be right to be without at least one VW. I think I'd just miss the meets and social side of it as much as I would the cars them selves. Also I don't think I could bare to sell my Scirocco. haha.
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Last Edit: Nov 7, 2009 20:24:03 GMT by RobinJI
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dugong
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the other thing that annoys me is people who go off on one if you fit an engine from another make in a car. I totally agree. I actually like it when someone puts a 200sx engine in a mk1 escort or a diesel in a hotrod. Whats the problem with it? Nowt. You can just do better than a Pinto, IMHO. It's the most obvious engine swap going in my view. The best swap I've seen recently was a Mk 1 Escort with a Peugeot Mi 16 engine it, thus upsetting the French hot hatch boys and the 'Scrote purists. Heroic.
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