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Didn't get as much done this weekend as I had hoped. First assembly and checking piston heights left me a bit concerned. Factory compression ratio is 9.5:1 and I machined a lot off the head and the machine shop took a bit off the block. Even with the extra combustion chamber from deshrouding the intake valves I was looking at over 10:1cr so I dug in the spares box and found another set of 65mm pistons. Did a bit more math and hit the lathe media blasted them and coated them Getting the hang of the ceramic stuff by now. Third times the charm and all that. Managed to get 4,3 and 2 installed and then misplaced one of the rod bearing halves so I had to stop and clean the workbench for an hour until I found it. By then it was time to call it an evening The work week starts tomorrow so I will be back to only getting a little time in the garage per night.
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Trent, you're an inspiration to many. Thanks for posting all this. I love that I'm reading a UK based message board to find out what "the other" Fiat enthusiast in Eugene, Oregon, USA is doing...
-Cheers!
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Apr 18, 2011 14:51:49 GMT
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Hey chad!
We need to get the local fiats together sometime this spring.
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Colonelk
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1971 Fiat 850 sedanColonelk
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Apr 18, 2011 21:35:33 GMT
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This thread continues to amaze. Sorry to hear about the head woe
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First nice weekend of spring meant that I spent the long holiday weekend mowing the lawn, hacking back brambles and repairing the fence instead of Fiat based goodness. Did manage to steal away enough time to get the last piston and rod in and finish and install the crank girdle I guess the crank scraper is next.
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Just wondering if the cradle wouldn't be stronger if it was braced to the block via the oil pan bolts?
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1987 Alfa Milano/75 1979 Alfetta Mille Miglia 1976 Alfetta GT race car 1970 Lancia Fulvia 1.3 Rallye S 1968 Fiat 850 spider
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I am sure it would be. This will be more than fine for now. I am at 12PSI with no girdle and am hoping to hit 16-18psi on this motor. When I pull the current motor out of service I plan on inspecting the rod and main bearings for uneven wear to see if this was even necessary. In other news the rotten old junkyard sourced civic radiator that I had in there started leaking so I had to install the alloy unit finally. It is so much thicker than the old one that I had to mount it flush to the firewall. This meant I needed a pusher fan. Some aluminum sheet on the brake and an hour or so of trimming and it was ready to go. So far it passes the idling in the driveway test with flying colors. I will give it some road time tomorrow for a real stress test. I am always nervous about inexpensive slim fans, especially as "pushers"
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Agree about the cradle, I don't think you really need it, but it cant hurt either. I used a "pusher" on my Fiat 1500 for years without problems, but of course it was mounted on in the front.
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1987 Alfa Milano/75 1979 Alfetta Mille Miglia 1976 Alfetta GT race car 1970 Lancia Fulvia 1.3 Rallye S 1968 Fiat 850 spider
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It looks like you have a new cam there. Which cam is that? stock?
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1987 Alfa Milano/75 1979 Alfetta Mille Miglia 1976 Alfetta GT race car 1970 Lancia Fulvia 1.3 Rallye S 1968 Fiat 850 spider
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It is an old 903 cam that was coated with the dry film lubricant.
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I think the stock cams are excellent for turbo applications. Nice to see some else playing with 850s. I would like to build a draw through turbo ( I want to use a Weber DCOE , admittedly for looks alone) and hope to achieve 100hp.
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1987 Alfa Milano/75 1979 Alfetta Mille Miglia 1976 Alfetta GT race car 1970 Lancia Fulvia 1.3 Rallye S 1968 Fiat 850 spider
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Finally a weekend that wasn't overbooked. I got a solid 4 hours to putter around and get things done. Of course there are so many active projects that it is easy to get sidetracked. Start on one thing and push it aside to do another and then oh look! I forgot about that, might as well finish it up real quick. I try and fab up the bits I need during the week so I can get them installed A new waterpump adapter/block off plate, a timing gear spacer and a new oil pressure relief valve. The first pressure relief fouled the oil sump. This time I turned it down to clean it up a bit and give more clearance. Sure looks nicer than the first. I turned on the oven and set about powder coating a few pieces. While they were curing I decided to modify my blow off valve. 1G DSM BOV. a quality piece that holds 12psi. I am planning 16 to 18 on the new motor so I might as well get it ready for the task. The "dodge mod" is well documented and seems a bit classier than crushing it in a vice to preload the spring. Step one. Tap the boost reference port on the bottom to 10-32 (not 10-24 like all the DIY's say) Step two. Drill an intersecting passage to the flange Step three. Harvest a vacuum nipple from a junk throttle body. Just grab onto it with pliers, twist and pull. It comes right out. Step four. Break out the thread cutting die and cut some 10-24 threads about a quarter of an inch up the nipple Step five. enlarge the first 3/8" or so of that hole you drilled with a #25 bit and tap it 10-24 Step six. Thread in the recycled nipple, tighten with pliers, perhaps with a drop of loctite. Screw in a 10-32X1/4" into the old boost reference hole that was tapped in step one. Now if you run a vacuum line from the new nipple to a ported vacuum source it functions just as it did before. If you leave the boost reference line open to atmosphere there is no longer any boost pressure working against the diaphram weakening the spring and while the BOV is slower to respond it can hold up to 30psi or so I am told. This took all of 5 minutes to do. I bolted it back on and took it for a test drive. Before this mod the boost was set to 10psi exactly. After the mod it was hitting over 12! This means it was leaking before and was part of the problem that I associated with soft valve springs. The sound is now a bit more forcefull. Before the blow off sounded like a girl sneezing......seriously. Now it is a bit more aggressive sounding. By that time the parts were out of the oven and I got to start bolting them on. The new coolant piece AKA the "Water Dong" and the completed bottom end. The girdle now bridges across 2 of the three mains. The front main bridge acts as the block off where the oil pump used to force oil into the crankshaft to be sent to the centrifugal filter. That is where the pressure relief now resides. Of course at this point after got the cam and crank timed I got to looking at the cam gear and thought....It would be easy enough to make it adjustable so I grabbed some spares to make an attempt. I will work on that this week. On to other bits. I scored a pair of rotten old Porsche 914 seats at the last swap meet. They look the part but are not supportive enough. I removed the seat bottom and they got better....well at least better than the MX5 seats in the car already. I figure it is worth a try. Asked SWMBO about that old memory foam matress topper and she said it was fair game . I hacked it up roughly and fit it in. Tried it out and it feels OK. Could use a bit higher density foam on the bottom. It will be good enough to cover and try in the car for a while. Cloth centers or vinyl though?
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May 17, 2011 20:59:24 GMT
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Reading through this incredible thread made me wonder if I'd died and gone to Fiat heaven. So many skills and an attitude of 'let's just do it' make this worth reading every word.
Keep it coming, it's better than telly.
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Peugeot 307sw - Suzuki SV650S - MX5.
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Seth
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May 17, 2011 22:03:22 GMT
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I looked at this and grinned. I'm sure if I tried it I'd miss the cross hole Top notch as ever.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Lex
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Your piston seems surprised about something ;D I cannot un-see the face! Fantastic car this. Such a lovely colour too.
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Resto-UKal
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May 18, 2011 23:26:56 GMT
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Started in on the cam gear project. Started with the two from above Bored the center out of one and took the outside off the other They now click together with just enough clearance to rotate The "ribs" in the inner piece will be drilled and tapped for the securing screws and the outer piece just needs slots for adjustment. I suppose I should try and suss out some sort of removable panel on the timing cover so that I won't need to pull the crank pulley if I want to adjust this.
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One adjustable cam gear. All that is left is to add degree marks I shredded my first axle coupler today. They are legendarily weak and I have been amazed they haven't broken one yet. I kept some spare used ones on the shelf just in case. Good thing too. Hoarding is paying off.
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What a fantastic topic! The work you do is very inspirational for me
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-Yamaha SR500 '79 -Suzuki GSX1100E(T) '80 -Yamaha XTZ750 '94 -Yamaha XT600Z '90
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May 20, 2011 15:42:01 GMT
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I keep going back and reading this build from page one. It's a real 'feel good' thread for me, just absolutely love it.
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1981 VW T25
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been following this thread as a guest... now a registered member to give my compliments. Best thread ever... absolutely genius!
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