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Jun 17, 2009 14:58:45 GMT
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right chaps, i'm thinking of putting a turbo diesel engine in a certain van? ??what am i after in spec? here go's lots of mpg lots of power that cool bit turbo diesel sound of spooling black smoke to curse word ppl off:P somat that'll be super happy cruising around the 80mph mark simple to fit & fix, none of this fly by wire curse word! i want to keep it simple its going in a mid-engined setup so what do you guys think some of my inspriation for a decent oil burner engine has come from those curse word with turbo diesels in the US in doge RAM pick-ups etc
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Jun 17, 2009 15:15:18 GMT
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PSA XUD engine is probably one of the best engines in the world when it comes to reliability, economy, power and easy to fix.....yet it's still a refined engine and will cruise at 80mp all day long while still giving amazing MPG! Think Peugeot 405/406, Citroen ZX/Xantia, Rover 200/400 to name but a few (lots more Peugeot's & Citroen's had this engine) Have a look here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_XUD
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Jun 17, 2009 15:22:42 GMT
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PSA TDs good but a bit prone to headgasket replacements.
For something simple, reasonably quick, tuneable and ultra reliable I'd be looking at the Isuzu engines found in some Vauxhalls.
Don't dismiss Perkin's fantastic 2.0TD lumps as found in some Maestros and Montegos, but has most will have been scrapped or ripped out and chucked into Landrovers by now.
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Corsa Apology Champion 2014.
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Jun 17, 2009 16:27:38 GMT
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i was thinking the pug 2.1 turbo diesel but wondering if any others are good i was at the classic truck do at gaydon on the sunday just gone & a chap in the carpark had either a nissan pickup or toyota hilux pickup i was'nt sure which it was as they look simular but it had a cracking turbo diesel that sounded like a v8 turbo diesel lorry!
i'd consider a perkins turbo diesel but was'nt sure about the power/torque & parta availabuilty for them as they are old, but good motors i agree, they is one where i live 2 roads away in a montego! sounds perfect & don't smoke, should be cheap too!
i need that high speed motorway crusie speed & mpg + simple to work on & get parts for alot to ask & basicly wanting my cake & eat it but fck it why not lol maybe start searching out a good complete pug 2.1TD engine & leccys/ecu etc etc
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Jun 17, 2009 18:23:12 GMT
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You could get a Rover L-series diesel instead of the Perkins Prima - hard to find Maestro and Montego donors now with all the Land Rover thievery. It's an updated version of the Prima and found in mid-90s Rovers, and the lower-powered versions are fully mechanically controlled - sounds like you aren't too worried about electrickery and ECUs though. They are pretty nippy (0-60mph in under 10s when fitted to the Rover 200) and tough.
Most of the Peugeot 2.1TDs you'll find will have the terrible failure-prone Lucas Epic fuel pump.
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Jun 17, 2009 18:45:37 GMT
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can the bosh pump be retro fitted to the pug motor anyone
i don't mind some minor-ish wiring for an ecu controlled motor but if i can get a 110hp td motor in the old stylee then thats a right good bonus!
i'll have a squizz at the landrover motors as they have a following/parts availbuility
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Jun 17, 2009 18:59:36 GMT
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Thing is, the mechanically controlled pumps are very easy to tweak to that level and above. You can get the 2.1TD with a mechanical Bosch pump, but only in early XMs and 605s I think.
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Jun 17, 2009 19:01:12 GMT
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Mercedes 300TD engines, or Nissan Laurel 2.8 Diesel (non turbo, i`m afraid, but that can be sorted? ;D) are both bulletproof Perhaps a bit big
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Jun 17, 2009 19:16:39 GMT
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I´m playing aroound with similar ideas for the van this winter.
Is your van front or rear wheel drive?
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Jun 17, 2009 19:41:45 GMT
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i have a vw t25 so considering the pug 2.1 or 2.5td motors, i don't know if the 2.5 is still the xud but aslong as i can get a bit more boost & fuel from a bosh pump then i think its worth thetime & effort a citreon xm should becheap to get as a complete running car in either engine format other engines appeal its mpg & motorway cruising i want to make better & less costly! there are lots of adapters for vw gearbox's so I'm open to idea's alot go the route of the vw aaz td but they are'nt that great! also i'm new to oil burners but i think i could be converted! well on my bus anyway
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Jun 17, 2009 19:51:57 GMT
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also thinking bout fitting one of these. what are the bmw turbo diesel engine like?
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Jun 17, 2009 20:09:17 GMT
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Another vote here for a PSA XUD engine. Plenty of torque available, fairly tuneable and as reliable as you could want. If there was a nuclear holocaust then the only things left will be dust, roaches and pug diesel engines.
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Jun 17, 2009 20:17:45 GMT
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blummin heck i'm suprised at the pug diesel following!!!!!
i've heard the bmw 2.5 turbo disels in bmw's & rover 75's are a bit pants! not the best motor bmw have made!
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Jun 17, 2009 20:23:29 GMT
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if you have a t25, you should be going down the simple vw 1.9 turbo route. bolt on swop almost. edit, didnt see that your goin mid mount.
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Jun 17, 2009 20:25:43 GMT
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Vote here for the Pug XUD (what a shock). They can blow head gaskets, but only if neglected (old antifreeze/clogged radiator etc.).
I'd go for the 1.9L personally - more common than the 2.1 and not much less power. The 1.9TD does 90bhp as standard. A decent intercooler, more boost and more fuel (both just turning screws) will give it 110bhp easily. Also AFAIK, they are all mechanical, rather than the electronic control fitted to most 2.1L engien, and you're more likely to get a Bosch pump.
The 2.5 isn't an XUD - I think it's the older generation engine fitted to the Pug 505 (which is heavier, less powerful and longitudinal, rather then transverse).
The XUD was converted into an aircraft engine, and the time between overhauls is the longest of any piston aircraft engine at 12,000 hours. R-R Merlin engines need a rebuild evern 500 hours, I think. Lycomings etc need rebuild every 1000-2000 hours. It's very common for the XUD to cover 300,000 miles without trouble. It will easily cruise at 80mph, returngin decent MPG while it does it.
What van is it going in? The size and weight will make a big difference to the final fuel consumption.
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topcat
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Jun 17, 2009 20:28:59 GMT
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I have a BMW E34 525tds and its a superb diesel. Not the most frugal but smooth and powerful.
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Jun 17, 2009 20:37:04 GMT
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XUD 1.9, bosch fuel pump, oily but incedible. Last 306 d-turbo I had was bloody fast at 130,000 miles and on country roads you can't beat murdering the environment with thick black overfuelled fury.
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Jun 17, 2009 20:51:29 GMT
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i think i'm getting convinced to going pug oil-burner furey! i'll have to see if anyone does a conversion plate or of i have to get busy with wooden templates etc
if i could get high 30mpg in a t25 that would be ooohhh the absolute dogs dangles!
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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bortaf
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Jun 17, 2009 20:59:04 GMT
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Another vote for then Pug lump here TBH i've had more Isuzu engines in with H/G problems than Pug lumps but again it's ni-on allways down to lack of antifreeze/maintenance .
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Another vote for the Pug 1.9 Turbo XUD we had one in a pug 405 that went on to do over 450,000 miles and it still ran well, would still have it now if some low life hadn't written it off in Asda They are also very common we got a non turbo XUD engine from the nearest scrap yard for £70 recently.
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