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Aug 10, 2008 18:22:54 GMT
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Hello everybody,
I'm Michiel, and new to this site. I just bought a taunus transit FK1250 from '64 and we're now stripping it down to prepare it for the paint job. The body work has two layers of paint on it and I was wondering what's the best way to remove these layers? Sanding, chemical treatmand, grinding?? We're looking for a safe way to do this in our garage.
Are there topics on this forum about sanding the bodywork?
Thanks in advance, Michiel
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Aug 10, 2008 18:24:38 GMT
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hello welcome to the forum. I'm assuming having a taunus van you already know dave and rian?
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mercmad
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Aug 11, 2008 10:23:07 GMT
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I use 3 different methods normally. On your van I would use 3 M stripping discs.They come in various grades and sizes from any good car paint supplier. I also soda blast if the paint is 2K. I never grind paint off unless really neccesary because of the damage to the steel it causes. Paint stripper is another i hate and refuse to use. The third thing I do is melt the paint,bondo etc with a MAPP gun. It's quick and fast but requires care not to heat the panel and distort it. and it stinks!
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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PhoenixCapri
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Aug 11, 2008 10:34:00 GMT
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Mercmad is probably right on this, but I tend to use stripper due to the ease and speed of it especially when used with those pan scowering pads You do have to make sure you thoughly clean it all off though and will have to key the surface after - but its probably the easiest DIY way, though orbital sander is probably better. Soda best if you want to pay the money for sure.
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Aug 11, 2008 10:37:33 GMT
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Hi Michael, glad you made it over, welcome aboard!! ;D Congratulations on getting your van back on the road, how´s your steering holding up mate? Oh and we do like lots of pics on here! Dave edit: the best way of getting paint off bodywork are these things.... ..the best things since sliced bread, no chemicals, no sparks, no damage just lots of dust!! ;D ;D ;D you´ll need an electronic anglegrinder for them as you have to turn the revs down a bit when you use them.........oh and you can get them on german eBay (Reinigungsscheiben )
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2008 10:47:12 GMT by Oldbus
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Aug 11, 2008 10:49:46 GMT
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hello welcome to the forum. I'm assuming having a taunus van you already know dave and rian? Aye Dave, the international van clan grows further!!
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mrj
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Aug 11, 2008 11:14:33 GMT
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we removed the paint on the baywindow bus with paint stripper... put it onto the paint and put a foil on top of it. Leave it over night and remove the foil with the paint, very easy... be careful though, as most of the paint strippers are acid and can cause corrosion if not removed 100%...
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Aug 11, 2008 12:54:50 GMT
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Hi Michael, glad you made it over, welcome aboard!! ;D Congratulations on getting your van back on the road, how´s your steering holding up mate? Oh and we do like lots of pics on here! Dave edit: the best way of getting paint off bodywork are these things.... ..the best things since sliced bread, no chemicals, no sparks, no damage just lots of dust!! ;D ;D ;D you´ll need an electronic anglegrinder for them as you have to turn the revs down a bit when you use them.........oh and you can get them on german eBay (Reinigungsscheiben ) Would one of these work on household paint on bodywork? I tried a sander but it clogged up in a minute, so ended up using wet and dry. Took ages but had to be done cos I had fitted some new mirrors and the old ones left holes. In fact when I took one off there was no less than 5 drilled holes!
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Aug 11, 2008 13:17:34 GMT
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Yes Mrs. Transit ;D
They´ll take anything off, even rust!!
Only problem is most people don´t have an anglegrinder which can be regulated and they´re not cheap.
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Aug 11, 2008 13:52:01 GMT
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Hey all, Thanks for the reply's, I'll try the discs Dave showed . Is this also working for old glue rests? the inside of the van was isolated with cork (if that's the right word for it ) I'll try to post some pics of the van tonight when I'm at home. Looks like I have to use imageshack or something for it. cheers, Michiel
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DutyFreeSaviour
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Aug 11, 2008 14:15:09 GMT
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On am aside - I've been looking for a speed controlled angle grinder - for refinishing etc..... but am coming up with some seriously ridiculous prices - anyone got a decent lead on a good supplier? John Welcome Michiel - good luck with the TT
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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Aug 11, 2008 15:52:58 GMT
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I was just going to ask that, cos it's me birthday soon and it's what every girl wants! Sod Prada handbags! I do seem to have got a Mk1 transit luton for me birthday though.....
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Aug 11, 2008 16:10:57 GMT
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stripping paint Pros & cons...
Chemical Stripping:
+ its quite quick, usually. - its messy - if you don't neutralise it all then your new paint is also ruined. - it burns your skin, DON'T get it in your EYES! - you usually neutralise with water> I like to keep water OFF bare metal...
Blasting
+ its quick + it removes everything: paint, filler, rust, skin... + the correct blast media will leave a nice finish to the metal - the wrong blast media (or bad operation) will warp or gouge the metal and can ruin panels. - its messy - some media can promote respiritory diseases like silicosis of the lung.
Sanding
+ anyone can do it. + done right it leaves a proper "key" or "tooth" for your primer on the bare metal + very controllable - often takes a long time - heat buildup if you do it wrong can warp the panels
I use a combination of blasting and sanding. I tend to blast on rusted surfaces and hard parts like suspension arms etc. and I tend to sand on body panels which are not rusted up.
I'd include wire brushes and the like in "sanding" as a generic term as many of the same pro & con apply to them.
Good luck, those are big panels to strip.
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Aug 11, 2008 18:14:22 GMT
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So as promised some pictures. Hope this will work, it's my first time to post pictures like this on a forum. On the pictures the paintjob looks pretty descent, but if you see it in real, it's not a very smooth paint. We intent to strip it completely, get rid of the dents and send it to a professional painter. Probably ocean blue on the lower panels and white/cream on the higher panels and roof. Sanding still seems like the safest way and we have the time. Is it nescessary to do the paintjob shortly after stripping? ps. a lot of questions will come from my side, because i'm a rookie when it comes to car techniques :-) . Cheers, Michiel
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Aug 11, 2008 18:18:11 GMT
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so thats what a normal TT engine looks like, I'm used to seeing daves. ;D
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Aug 11, 2008 18:48:26 GMT
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if you have air, you could use an air grinder and turn the pressure/flow down?
i have used a random orbital in the past, but the pads do clog up quite quick!
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Aug 11, 2008 19:33:58 GMT
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so thats what a normal TT engine looks like, I'm used to seeing daves. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nice one Dave! Michiel, there´s a guy on the german FK forum doing new sill sections if you need them, before you get stuck into the paintjob. Nice looking 65 model you´ve got there, ex firebrigade by the looks of it....(like all ours too!) If you want the original seats i´ve got a pair here you can have. ;D
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Aug 12, 2008 10:32:30 GMT
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Hi Dave,
No thanks, we're thinking about placing some new seets in it in the future. I believe this van is from '64. Indeed it is ex-firebrigade. At some points you can see the red paint through the grey layer.
We'll go on with the van this weekend. stripping the inside :-)
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Aug 18, 2008 17:38:07 GMT
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Well, as you can see I've changed the topic name for this one. Decided to make it a more general topic :-) .
This weekend we went on with stripping the van. we removed the sticky black stuff (I don't know the english name for it) on the bottom of the cabin (where you place your feet). I'm glad to see that there is almost no rust here, while this is a week point very often at a lot of oldtimers. No need for replacing floor panels here.
We also started with getting the paint of the backdoor. We decided to use a paint remover in combination with a sanding machine. It works pretty good although it will take time to do the whole van like this.
I hope to post the pictures soon.
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Aug 18, 2008 17:51:29 GMT
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Welcome aboard mate.
Why do you not ask the moderators like R-Mad or Hotwire to move it to the Readers Rides, and run it as your ride thread, where you will still get all the info.
What seats do you have in your bus ??
I have originals in mine, but also have a set from a Capri, which will need to be narrowed for passenger seat, and both recovered when I do the interior.
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