bigrod
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May 28, 2008 10:23:23 GMT
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I'm in Surrey this week on business and hired a Seat Leon from Heathrow airport. (There isn't a RentAWreck there!! ;D ) It's a great little car!! Lots of room for me, (6' 4"), well built and sticks to the road like a Scalextric car with magnatraction. The only thing it could use is a taller top gear for the motorway and more rear legroom, but I'm quite tempted.
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If I have to explain, you won't understand. Maximum signature image height = 80 pixels
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May 28, 2008 10:28:11 GMT
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It depends what you mean by modern really.
I like:
Heating and ventilation that clears the windows properly Aircon that works Not having to rebuild bits of a morning as part of the journey
I hate:
Assorted bongs and warnings Daft messages on the dash like "central rear seatbelt in use" curse word visibility due to huge door pillars containg a proliferation of airbags
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Jaguar S-Type 3.0 SE
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rob0r
East of England
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May 28, 2008 10:28:46 GMT
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Only one thing - cruise control.
I was thinking earlier this morning, I've bought 8-9 old BMWs in the last few years and the sum total is a years worth depreciation on a car over £10000. Who's had more fun? ME! New cars can get much better fuel economy, but I'd rather plough the money into my fuel tank than magically disappear with depreciation. Doesn't stop me nicking my mum's 07 plate Skoda Fabia whenever I can though! Another arguement is that they are more reliable, buy a car that's disposable and if it breaks get another - my E30 policy.
There are loads of moderns I like though. I'd never say no to a 911, Audi RS4/S6/RS6/S8 for example. I do like the look of the new chryslers as above though.
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Last Edit: May 28, 2008 10:30:21 GMT by rob0r
E30 320i 3.5 - E23 730 - E3 3.0si - E21 316 M42 - E32 750i ETC
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Tim
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May 28, 2008 10:49:16 GMT
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I like moderns but they have to be unusual, something like the Audi A2 TDI, I like the fact that it does 70mpg, is made entirely out of aluminium, and that its so light it rocks from side to side when the wiper is at its fastest speed ;D I also like the fact that if I crash a modern there is a better chance of not popping my clogs A2's are very cool, because they were roundly flogged by the motoring press and they are alu so hopefully by the time they are down to the price i can afford they wont have rotted :-) A quick check of autotrader shows none below £3,000 sadly
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shlomping
Club Retro Rides Member
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May 28, 2008 10:57:01 GMT
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am i right in thinking that you cant open an audi a2's bonnet without some propper tool or is that something ive just made up in my head?
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Tim
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May 28, 2008 11:05:48 GMT
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am I right in thinking that you cant open an audi a2's bonnet without some propper tool or is that something ive just made up in my head? You might not be able to actually get to the engine - some cars are designed so that the only things you can get at are the consumables
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shlomping
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May 28, 2008 11:09:11 GMT
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I'm sure i can remember waching some car programe when it came out and the front grille thing just folds down and you have the water and oil their and you cant open the bonnet. that would be irritating.
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May 28, 2008 11:12:50 GMT
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Nods My ideal car would be a 70's body, with a 00's mechanicals (engine, brakes, suspension, steering, the lot) and 90's interior (before they became too plasticky) :-) you mean maybe like this? 76 Golf/ 98 Audi A3 turbo engine
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May 28, 2008 11:16:20 GMT
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i like the better power to fuel ratio of a modern engine, cant think of much else though, none of my mates new cars are any more reliable than my old ones and invariably they cost more to mend, cars handle a lot better i guess these days, but you don't feel as connected, maybe thats the weight of all the curse word they come with? I'm happy with my old cars I'm definately not movin on with the times.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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g40jon
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May 28, 2008 11:20:50 GMT
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safety is the only thing i can think of and even then thats questionable, as in my experience modern cars tend to be driven more carelessly as the drivers no longer seem to fear crashing cos of all the airbags.
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May 28, 2008 11:22:04 GMT
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The only thing i like about moderns is they are easy to drive......... actualy, to me that means boring, i had a 405 which i class as modern, authough they are getting on abit now, its pleasnt to drive, but boring, and i got so bored of it that i now drive a maxi. Recent designs have got me interested tho, but id never be able to afford one, which is a good thing realy because id probably get bored very quickly, and skint from maintainance. Cheap and easy maintainance is another plus for retros for me!
I don't hate moderns, i dispise them!
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Padz
Part of things
Personal Plates ftw
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May 28, 2008 11:27:01 GMT
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I'm driving one of these this week as a courtesy car: A 1.0 litre Getz and it's horrible to drive, not as much room as the 205 because the seats don't go back far enough for my 6'2 frame, it's VERY plasticky and is just gutless on acceleration, and the fact you cant see the bonnet. The ONE thing I like about it, light power steering, both the 309 and 205 have power steering but its nothing near as light as the Getz.
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Last Edit: May 28, 2008 11:27:26 GMT by Padz
"I'd rather lie in a bath of my own excrement than own a Vectra " - 2002gimp 25/1/07 "Anal Alert would be an absolutely superb name for piles cream " - Hirst 28/1/08 1991 - Peugeot 205 GTI 1996 - Rover Mini Cooper
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Tim
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May 28, 2008 11:30:20 GMT
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Nods My ideal car would be a 70's body, with a 00's mechanicals (engine, brakes, suspension, steering, the lot) and 90's interior (before they became too plasticky) :-) you mean maybe like this? 76 Golf/ 98 Audi A3 turbo engine That would do me, yep :-)
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May 28, 2008 11:33:07 GMT
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I HATE light power steering. I want to be able to feel what the wheels are doing! I can cope with power steering, but I'd rather be without it. My Rover P6 V8 was fine without.
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1986 Citroen 2CV Dolly Other things. Check out my Blog for the latest! www.hubnut.org
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May 28, 2008 11:56:18 GMT
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I like the fact they generally start without a fuss I like the fact the HVAC works and they actually demist I like the fact they don't leak or steam up I like safety, low emissions, decent performance, good economy.
I don't like: Cost to buy Cost to insure Complexity of working on them (or cost to pay someone else to!!!!) Depreciation
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May 28, 2008 12:02:31 GMT
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I like the fact modern cars are softer so if you drive into one in an older car technically you have an impact zone and won't do to much damage to the older car ;D ;D other than that I pretty much dislike most things about them including the so called safety bull thats attached to them my falcon was about the most modern car I've owned and i liked it because it still felt like a car you could drive instead of a car you were just another passenger in
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Last Edit: May 28, 2008 12:04:42 GMT by Deleted
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May 28, 2008 12:13:54 GMT
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Modern brakes, suspension, in some respects performance, flexibility, reliability, ease of use and so on. I'm not including comfort though, as I've rarely found any modern to be more comfortable than my 1850HL, in fact, a lot of them for some reason give me backache after more than a few hours in the hotseat, whereas in the Dolly I could drive for 5 hours flat and feel perfectly comfortable! The C4's not bad either, with it's hugging seats, hehe! I like the fact you can get 300BHP and still return up to 30mpg, or 505 and still get that figure if you cruise at 90 lol This stuff can be applied to any retro also, so don't think I'm a "hater", just more of an general observation than anything else. I agree with nightmare there too - my '95 C4 was a real good bit of kit (I do actually regret selling it somehow now, live and learn) and was new enough to have all the toys, features and ability you could want but not so new enough that it was depreciating or cost a fortune to keep on the road
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Last Edit: May 28, 2008 12:17:28 GMT by Lewis
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misteralz
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I may drive a Volkswagen, but I'm scene tax exempt!
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May 28, 2008 12:17:08 GMT
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I love my S3's sheer volume of power, its turn of speed, its heated leather and its fantastic Bose sound system. I also love the fact that it is just a fancy Golf and as such is actually incredibly cheap to maintain. Still not a patch on my mk2 Golf in terms of grin-inducingness, but it's close.
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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May 28, 2008 12:27:24 GMT
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you mean maybe like this? 76 Golf/ 98 Audi A3 turbo engine That would do me, yep :-) Don't forget the one behind it - if i'm not mistaken thats ALG1K isn't it ? 700+ Cossie Dolomite In answer to the actual question I would say the engines but you still have to throw away half the worlds copper/silicon resources in looms and ECU's to make them more reliable/useable !
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May 28, 2008 13:12:29 GMT
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interestingly, as an older member I note with interest that some years ago we were having this discussion and saying how we all hated modern rubbish soul-less curse word - like Mk2 Golfs, Carltons, Senators, E30 BMWs, Sierras, SD1s, etc which are all now regarded as cool and retro and superior to today's moderns.
TBH a lot of the currently retro and borderline retro stuff a lot of people here like were horrid when new and TBH again a lot of the new new modern cars are much nicer now than those cars were when they were new.
So a lot of this modern-car-H8R stuff is just relative and hot air.
I think most cars made after like 1981 or so are modern junk - doesn't mean I don't appreciate the work people do on them though, but the more modern modern junk is just technically a bit better at it!
I own a 1984 Cadillac, I have driven a 2004 Cadillac and I can tell you for sure which drove better, worked better, was better equipped, etc. But I wouldn't want to work on the '04. Mind you the '84 is a PITA as well....
Goes with a lot of other stuff too.
IMO the 90s was a real low point for cars. They don't feel nice to drive, they look bland and they are complex to work on. Cars from the last 5 or 6 years seem to drive much better and many look much more distinctive. And theres some decent power on offer now which we seemed to be scared of in the 90s for the most part. The complexity scares me but meh. Its all as alien to me in a '89 as a '99 as a '09 to be honest.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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