street
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Apr 29, 2008 19:47:45 GMT
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As has been said, can't really comment on this particular case without the details...... but the trouble with this is, such a public demonisation of 'cruisers' like that will give the general public the green light to hate on all car enthusiasts, us guys included Okay the legislation is to combat the anti-social 'cruiZerZ' which we try our best to distance ourselves from. But to joe public such details will not matter, so our friendly retro rides local meet in a pub car park could easily be identified by the ignorant public as "one of those nuisance car meets that I read about in the paper" and tar us with the same brush. Lets face it, most of us already get it in the neck from our neighbours and such-like for our hobby, the last thing we want is a heavy handed approach from the law fanning the flames of dischord between us car enthusiasts and the rest of the public
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mgbv8
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Apr 29, 2008 20:16:51 GMT
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Hmm!! Nobody has mentioned Section 59 yet???
My son has had his Pug 205 GTi taken off him under section 59. Section 59 is a complete crock of wibblepoo that the police can use to do just what they want to young drivers. I don't condone stupid or unsafe driving mind. And my son races my V8 with me at the Pod. But he is 20 and likes his fat zorst, big woofers etc. He got a warning for pulling out of a car park where he had been chatting to the local police, because they heard screeching from his tyres. Not a cruise, just a place where they meet to go to an organised one at the weekends. Then he got followed home at 1am on a Sunday morn and got chucked in the back of the police car. I went and asked the police in to tell me what was going on. I asked the copper what he had done. His reply was "basically, he was driving like a curse word Sir" When I asked for details, they told me they had been travelling in the opposite direction in our town centre when he came the other way, and by the note of his exhaust they could tell he was speeding?? They did a U turn and gave chase. But he had already turned onto the local bypass (which is a 60 limit) But he only has to go about 500 yards to our turn off. He had already parked and was out of the car when they turned up. Which means they knew his car and where he lived, so they hadnt clocked him because they couldnt see him. When Iasked the copper to show me some proof of his speeding he said "we don't need proof sir, we know he was speeding and under section 59 we can take his car as this is his second warning".
So they took his car away on a transporter and I rang the local chief to complain. The result. We got his car back (£250 in recovery and storage charges for one night) and the police have never responded to my complaints about the officers who I think acted very badly.
As a PS to this. My son and his friends have phone video footage of two local policemen doing donuts and smoking tyres around a local roundabout at 2am one Sunday morning. I guess they must have been bored huh?
As a PSS to this. My son and 15 of his friends all got letters on the same day from the police to say that they had all been reported by a local resident that they had left a local parking area on X date at X time in a manner that caused their tyres to screech. And that action would be taken if they did this again. This was a more rural park area well out of the town centre where they decided to muster for their pre cruise meet. Now I fail to see how a resident (nearest house about 200 feet from car park exit) had managed to take the numbers of 16 cars all leaving in the dark at 8pm on a December Sunday night had managed to get all the reg numbers correct. Funnily enough, the local police patrol were in the car park as they knew this was where the guys were meeting now. They were telling the boys to make sure they kept out of trouble etc. But they were realy just noting reg numbers for the next purge.
don't get me wrong. I do not condone stupid driving. But when the local police chief says crack down, the police sometimes take it to the extremes.
Section 59 could be a good weapon for the police. But our local coppers seem to think its a licence to do just what they want, as they need no actual proof apart from the second coppers word that the first copper is telling the truth.
Rant over....
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stevek
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Apr 29, 2008 20:32:23 GMT
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I agree with street on this one, it easy for us 'in the car scene' to differentiate 'our' scene and 'their sort' but there are a lot of people out there who would lump us all together as 'car hooligans'. I think the football fans have the same problem with outsiders not being able to differentiate the trouble makers and fear all groups of people in football shirts.
I'm all for the police to have powers to break up 'real' troublesome groups. But too much bad press coverage could end up with the police being called out by 'busybody residents' wanting them to disperse perfectly serene meets, though we have to trust the police to have judgment (we can trust them cant we?).
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Apr 29, 2008 20:35:27 GMT
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Barnfather was then spotted speeding down Albert Street, where he did a wheel spin causing smoke to come from both his front and rear wheels. I'm impressed that the lad managed to make smoke from all 4 wheels on a Corsa.... I would ask for the case to be thrown as the witness evidence wasn't reliable due to the fact that it would impossible to do in that car without major engineering work that isn't available off the shelf in a Rippspeed blister pack.
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Apr 29, 2008 20:57:52 GMT
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Barnfather was then spotted speeding down Albert Street, where he did a wheel spin causing smoke to come from both his front and rear wheels. I'm impressed that the lad managed to make smoke from all 4 wheels on a Corsa.... I would ask for the case to be thrown as the witness evidence wasn't reliable due to the fact that it would impossible to do in that car without major engineering work that isn't available off the shelf in a Rippspeed blister pack. LOL, here here!
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Lopez
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Apr 29, 2008 21:13:24 GMT
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Everything I have heard about Section 59 leads me to believe it is currently being seriously abused by some traffic officers, which is a shame.
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BiAS
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Apr 29, 2008 21:30:25 GMT
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Last Edit: Apr 29, 2008 21:30:52 GMT by BiAS
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bigkev
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Apr 29, 2008 21:52:13 GMT
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bloody ridiculous!!
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topi
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It's a race car officer, I swear!
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I got a section59 for 3 wheeling my lowrider around a mini roundabout at walking speed.
What the hell is wrong with people, how can you not find it amazing to see a 70's Datsun, on wire wheels, 3wheeling. Apparently my car could of 'flipped'..... I tried not to laugh.
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I wonder if we were breaking the law a couple of months ago at the Nottingham Hooters Retro-Rides meet? In what way were we causing damage to property or a risk to the safety of the general public? Having thought about it overnight I suppose you could get smoke from all 4 tyres on a Corsa if you locked it up hard from some speed. Having seen the way some of these idiots drive that wouldn't surprise me. The dispersal order has been served in public, via the media internet the local and even national press. Max Power and Practical Classics both carried it for example. The cops had someone post on just about every modified car forum out there as well at the time. Getting a section 59 for 3 wheeling seems harsh but TBH you aren't in "full control" of the car if its got a wheel up are you? I'd have thought that was just due a ticking off not anything formal though.
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topi
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It's a race car officer, I swear!
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I'm pretty sure I had more control than most of the dorks I see out on the road haha.
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Probably, but the fact of the matter is most coppers, judges and members of the general public won't see it that way.
Having gone back to a car with a casette player in it I think they are probably the most lethal things you can have in cars.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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mercmad
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We have had 'anti hooning laws ' in Queensland for 8 years.The english model appears to copied from ours as are the methods used used by the police to enforce it. Their actions are typical of an organisation which is more used to dealing with the criminal underclass rather than ordinary citizens. One thing is obvious,not enough people are putting the case forward that the burden of proof lays entirely with the police and are just copping it without proper legal assistance.
2,000 CARS IMPOUNDED UNDER ANTI-HOONING LAWS
More than 2,000 Queensland drivers have had their vehicles confiscated since the introduction of Queensland's anti-hooning laws three years ago.
Police Minister Judy Spence said the laws were forcing dangerous drivers to realise that public roads and suburban streets were not race tracks.
"If you drive in a manner that is dangerous or causes excessive noise or smoke, then you will be caught by police and risk having your vehicle impounded," Ms Spence said.
The highest number of hoon offences were recorded in the South-East and North Coast police regions.
"Both regions combined account for more than half of Queensland's total vehicle confiscation figures," Ms Spence said.
"As of September, 702 drivers in the South-East region, which includes Logan, Beenleigh and the Gold Coast, had their vehicles confiscated since these laws took effect. In the North Coast region there have been 521 vehicle confiscations."
Far North Queensland had the lowest number of vehicle confiscations, recording 96 offences since 2002.
The anti-hooning laws give police the power to impound vehicles used for hooning for 48 hours. Repeat offenders could have their car taken off the road for three months or even forfeited to the state after a third or subsequent offence.
"By September this year, only 46 offenders had been detected committing hoon offences on a second occasion in the past three years," Ms Spence said. "Three offenders have been detected committing a third offence - one in each of the Ipswich, Bundaberg and Redcliffe districts.
"This legislation is not aimed at targeting young drivers or car enthusiasts. If you abide by the law, there is no reason why this legislation should affect you."
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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i can't wait for my mate's missus to be stopped in our mk3 golf, she's a 40+ civil servant, quite high up in Notts County Council....
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I would guess she's unlikely to be causing a public nuiance/driving dangerously, unless in which case she's not above the law I'd guess? unless and in which case I want that job...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Stupid. It was a wheel spin and a bit of speeding. If he's guilty then so is practically ever other driver who races away from the lights. Sure, its dangerous, but instead of being so pathetic and childish about the whole matter, why didn't the Police just send a patrol down to the area to monitor the area. This is just pathetic, and is doing the complete opposite to what the Police want. If the Police worked with the drivers and built a good relationship there would be respect for each party from each party. But with actions like this the Police simply make themselves look like pricks that no one wants to associate with.
I'm no barry, but I do have great sympathy for them here.
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Ether
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I reckon that Hirst and the rest of the OAP+ Crew need to roll deep geriatric-stylz in Mansfield. Charged with reckless wearing of comfortable slacks and playing Heart FM at low volumes. *n Actually made me lol. Tres drol
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Seth
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Drive stupidly in front of the police and suffer the consequences. I don't understand why people have a problem with this. It has always been the case.
Topi, I guess you were unlucky and I personally wouldn't consider 3 wheeling at a normal speed round a roundabout to be particularly dangerous. On the other hand the police were probably having a WTF moment and felt the need to check it out. Did they actually serve you notice with something or just pull you over quoting that act?
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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I may be biased here, living fairly close to mansfield and trying on occasion to have a night out there (hint: don't try).
Although in black and white it seems this guy was made an example of and unfairly treated, when you see the standard of driving that goes off around 'the circuit' I can completely understand a suspended sentence for some people. Smoke from all four wheels would be completely possible thanks to the trend of pulling the handbrake at 25-30mph, and simultaniously doing a rolling burnout. This is on public roads, with people out for the night walking alongside. Speaking honestly, if 'the circuit' was a closed track it would be pretty good, there's some nice corners so I can see why they do it but when they start drifting around innocent trafic, or taking a quick shortcut the wrong way down a one-way street to get in front of their mates.....
Like I say I have no proof that this particular yoof has been up to such things but after seeing what the police ignore, for them to pull someone it must have been really moronic driving. If they pulled everyone who screeched a tyre, they'd need a fleet of coaches just to transport them back to the nick.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Nathan
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Apr 30, 2008 10:05:41 GMT
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I got a section 59 the first month it came out, you know what for chatting to a bloke about his skoda in Sainburys.
I pulled in there to get some food (it was about 8pm) saw this ratty Estelle whihc sounded amzing, so just stood talking to the guy. Police came over said your causing disruption (bloke revved the car once) So we have the power to enforce a section 59. TBH I think I made it worse, as I was proper p1$$ed off, when the coppper asked my name and address I refused to give it to him, and Said "Mate you can get my address and name from the car details, so that as I am not wasting the oxygen".
This was at least 4-5 years ago and I still get hassle now, I usually get stopped coming out of Sainsburys Petrol Station in the city center (tink its a local chav point on a sunday night) But I work nearby and stop for fuel there. Thing is it only got worse when I bought my Modern Daily too, I don't Criuse (cant stand it) or race about but yet I am made to suffer.
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Last Edit: Apr 30, 2008 10:06:56 GMT by Nathan
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