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Metalshapes,
Yes, that is one of the more stupid rules. The rules were written by beauracrats who had no concept of why you would want to build anything 'old' when you could build something 'new' which MUST be better/more desirable...right??
Glass is a real bugbear - why is a std pop glass perfectly legal - but in my car it's illegal??? There was an exemption to allow Kitemarked glass through IVA but as only 8 cars in 2 years used it they deemed it mot worth having the exemption. Had more people done cars the legal way then std glass would still be allowable.
BUT.......at least we do have this test - even though its restrictive - ALL other European countries do not have it so my car would be outlawed forever, at least here I can get it legal again - even if it is a royal pain to do so.
Tristanh,
Yes - so little of the original car left it's classed as a new build (radically modified is the official term).
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You have my respect, man.
You don't let the bastards get you down, eventhough you realise how ridiculous some of these rules are.
On top of what was already a very impressive build.
I hope it will sail right through the test...
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Roof panels all trimmed & refitted, forgot to take photos though. I got the male cable joiner today, stainless steel from a yacht chandler so this can now be fitted to the handbrake cable. Which is fitted here; BIVA tester should be happy with this; Handbrake poking it's nose between the seats. It works better than ever now, free wheels when off, locks wheels up on 3 clicks (turning by hand) and can just be forced to 6 clicks with both hands when fully applied. Another job ticked off Not an IVA requirement but door panel retrim started too.
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heathrobinson
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But what if I don't like pedestrians and cyclists? Surely I should be free to express this but adding spikes and sharp edges to at least the near side of my vehicle. They're infringing on my freedom of expression.
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blackpopracingso, realistically, when do you think this will go for its test? When it does go, do you think you would be allowed to film the process? (Might be asking for trouble) Your entire thread, workmanship and attitute is impressive and I'm (have been for a long time) dying to see the final outcome of the test. Its like waiting for the final conclusion episode of a favourite tv series
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I should be able to apply after my hols in around 4 weeks time. Approx 6 weeks for appointment date and 4-8 weeks to get test unless a cancellation comes through. Might apply before I go though. Should be back on the road by autumn unless it fails on something big that I have missed.
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I really like that cable joiner you've found and something like that would solve a long standing issue on one of my cars. However, I was under the impression that only permanently formed joints like that (ie crimped joints) are permissible, in the same way that the threaded, self-assembly Goodrich brake hose fittings that the racers use are technically illegal for road use.
Very happy to be wrong about this......
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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No rules saying it's not ok............ If its not in the book then its permissable. These joints are far stronger than crimped on ends, they have an inner taper that fits over the inner core cable with the outer strands over the top. As you tighten the outer cover it compresses the cable down, the harder you pull on the cable the more it grips it.
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PS, self assembly brake hoses are different as they are prone to leaks if not fitted perfectly and can vibrate undone in road use causing brake failure.
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Darkspeed
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I really like that cable joiner you've found and something like that would solve a long standing issue on one of my cars. However, I was under the impression that only permanently formed joints like that (ie crimped joints) are permissible, in the same way that the threaded, self-assembly Goodrich brake hose fittings that the racers use are technically illegal for road use. Very happy to be wrong about this...... Nick What is not allowed are cables retained by solderless nipples - looped and U bolt clamped cables and the like - Things that catch people out are fuel tank breathers - locking fuel caps - anti theft devices - head restraints - screen demisting and the old favourite of self centre on the steering. The fog light switching is also a good one. Gland type Goodrich hose being illegal for road use is a new one - mine went through IVA with it - As a numpty with a cheap DIY flare kit could create more dangerous unseen situations I doubt hoses proven over hundreds of installations will be a problem. They would only fail is not being correctly installed.
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That's very helpful, thanks. Gives scope to improve a rather doubtful handbrake mechanism, which has been passing (just) MoTs for 20 odd years, but needs help.
Same car has also been passing MoTs with 600 series gland type Goodrich hoses for about the same length of time. Was a few (10?) years ago that I heard about the potential problem with these fittings, but having a rummage around on the net just now suggests that the debate has moved on from then - and in the right direction for once. All of which reminds me that it's high time I changed the actual hose parts for new.....
Cheers
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Darkspeed - fuel tank breathers.......tell me more as mine (after the rollover valve) just exits (via hose) to fresh air under the car.
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Darkspeed
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Darkspeed - fuel tank breathers.......tell me more as mine (after the rollover valve) just exits (via hose) to fresh air under the car. The requirement that the breather must be breather (usually two way for vapours) and a shut off valve for fluid and be installed correctly. Not just a pipe that goes up and then down or a valve that only stops fluid if valve is inverted. The valve needs to stop fluid in all orientations - Its also worth a note that having a vent that exits in front of a rear tyre is never a good idea. Always exit any overflows well away from front of tyres.
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How can a valve shut off fuel in all directions? it would be permanently closed?? Vent exits at present behind differential.
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Darkspeed
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How can a valve shut off fuel in all directions? it would be permanently closed?? Not at all, the valve only closes when a fluid tries to pass through it - the orientation of the actual valve is not important - a valve that only closes to fuel if its turned upside down is no good if a car is on its side or if you have a full tank and brake or corner hard. The valve I used was two way for gasses with two set pressures one for positive pressure and one for vacuum as well as being a one way valve for fluid in any orientation - it needs to be as who knows what way up a car will finish in a severve accident.
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Sounds a bit fancy for a road car though?
Just double checked the IVA requirements and there is no mention of vents apart from not exiting near a heat source or into the passenger compartment. As such a std vent pipe will pass ok. If its not written in the manual it's a pass.
Your description sounds more like race car regs? which would be very sensible. My mondeo (fill up) overflow leaks down into the wheelarch over the rear tyre!
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Darkspeed
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Mondeo that's an overflow related to fillers and drains - not a vent - the tank vent in your Mondeo will not go to atmosphere at all it will vent into the engine or into a carbon cannister as they are completely closed systems emissions related stuff.
The IVA note on tank vents is 12 - tank MUST be fitted with a vent to prevent build up of pressure but the vent must also not allow the release of fuel - It may be that in your car you can take the vent to a height that would not allow any fuel release under braking or acceleration when completely full and that the likleyhood of fuel loss being prevented is obvious - I could not show a vent pipe where fuel release would obvioulsy be prevented so hence the valve right on the tank that did everything vent/vacuum break and fuel stop - As soon as the IVA men see them they pass no questions. My car was 30" high and the filler was at 29" so you could fill the tank higher than the vent!!
Also looking through do not forget a separate earth strap/lead to the tank and not just the earth on the gauge as they cant count incase they are insulated by a rubber gasket.
The fuel filler cap - tethered or with a key that cannot be removed when unlocked is also a good one.
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Hmmm....my valve is the ball bearing type one on the top of the tank. It used to be the highest point untill I had to fit the new IVA filler. The hose at present comes out of the vent and goes down through the floor to exit under the diff. I could fit a longer hose to run up to the rear parcel shelf and then back down which would prevent fuel loss under braking etc?
Have you a link for your vent? does it screw into the tank?
Earth strap is fine as the sender has an earth wire on it. Also tank is ally and bolted direct to the chassis, so is it's own earth.
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