Darrel
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Feb 25, 2008 10:37:20 GMT
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The early 306 diesels had the xud engine, but they are few and far between, and had a mix of Lucas and Bosch pumps. The advantage of the Citroen/405/406 route is it will have a higher chance of already having a Bosch pump and they already have a heater built in allowing 100% veggy oil during the summer months without any alteration. If your going the veggy route I would advise a bosch pump. There are a few people that say theve done thousands of miles on Lucas ones and the Bosch thing is rubbish, but its just luck. Its a poorer design and they are certainly more prone to failure. Ive had 2 go on me, whereas ive never had a Bosch go.
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Rob M
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Sensible diesel daily???Rob M
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Feb 25, 2008 11:01:48 GMT
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I wouldnt overlook the Isuzu 1.7D or TD in an Astra or even the 1.5 ltr in the Nova/Corsa. A suprisingly good engine, pretty basic, good on fuel, they can cover intergalactic mileages and if you have ever driven a non turbo Diesel Nova you will be suprsed at how quick they are. Another thought, how about an Escort 1.8TD? Yes they are old hat but they don't go wrong and you know where you are with them. Better than all of these ( ive owned all of the above) is a Seat with the 1.9TD VW lump. I had one of these, Ibiza model, when i lived abroad, fantastically good car, very fast and handled superbly. You can pick up a good Toledo, Cordoba etc, etc ( not sure about Ibizas) on flea bay at well under your budget. Think of a very well put together VW but cheaper, and better.
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horneyâ„¢
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Feb 25, 2008 11:53:49 GMT
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Rover 420 GSDI FTW. The SDI and GSDI have more power and if you look on the rover forums you can find you can tweek them easily for even more. These things are the secret bargain of the derv world!
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Feb 25, 2008 11:57:26 GMT
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SteveP
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Feb 25, 2008 12:02:03 GMT
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Would definitely consider the 420 too, I need to do an insurance quote though as the insurance group is 11? as opposed to group 6-7 for the 220!
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Feb 25, 2008 12:04:11 GMT
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60mpg in a Pug 406?! Are you sure? My 306 DTurbo never beat 45mpg although granted, I never drove it like a pensioner.
Go Rover. Then add random Honda Civic bits to confuse people.
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Feb 25, 2008 13:30:44 GMT
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Forgot to say, I don't really want to spend anymore than £900.. 1k absolute tops... so that almost rules out Focus diesels 306DTurbo for under £900 might be hard.. Cavalier 1.7TD ~£350 for a good one Citroen XM 2.5TD ~£500+ quite complex though Citroen Xantia TD, smaller than the XM but more popular Rover 620 SLD, like a newer, unfashionable cavalier ~£500 maybe Carlton 2.3TD ~£300 - 850 if you can find one, estates are huge and will get ~40mpg Omega 2.5TDS ~£900 may get you a beater, but lots of electrics to contend with Mazda 626 friend has had a diesel one of these for years, not sure on price though
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SteveP
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Feb 25, 2008 13:34:54 GMT
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All bar the 306 are too big I'm afraid... must be medium sized, otherwise I'd definitely consider some of them! ;D
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Feb 25, 2008 13:45:58 GMT
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All bar the 306 are too big I'm afraid... must be medium sized, otherwise I'd definitely consider some of them! ;D doh! cavalier's only about a foot long than a 306d, no wider at all.. trouble is, small diesels will always be more popular and therefore more expensive. what about: Vaux Astra, mk3 ashtray diesels i think also had the 1.7 Isuzu TD in them Peugeot 309D, older slower but prettier than the 306 Citroen ZX has been suggested already too, they're pretty nice..
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Feb 25, 2008 14:27:57 GMT
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In rural west wales (diesel country), Astra 1.7s (with the isuzu engine) have an almost legendary status for reliability and ability to do many, many miles.
However Rover 220s (bubble) are a much nicer car to drive IMO. Should be easy to find a good one in Brum, seeing as they are a native of the city!
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SteveP
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Feb 25, 2008 14:37:30 GMT
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However Rover 220s (bubble) are a much nicer car to drive IMO. Should be easy to find a good one in Brum, seeing as they are a native of the city! Yeah, they are everywhere! Blend right in...
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Feb 25, 2008 14:48:06 GMT
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Should be easy to find a good one in Brum, seeing as they are a native of the city! Yeah, they are everywhere! Blend right in... stealthy like ninja.. *dieselclatter* ;D anyways, blending into birmingham rushhour requires a Nissan Micra or a Toyota Avensis.. if you want something to get people out of the way fast, a rusty white L reg cavalier with no straight body panels, odd wheels and only one door mirror portrays the right image, especially if you run the TD one with no filters
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Feb 25, 2008 16:04:37 GMT
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I have the latest all singing all dancing 2.2 hdi in a Pug 807.....22mpg on a good day....what a pile of cr4p...... My old 806 with the 1.9hdi was faster and would return 35 no matter how badly driven..... But my even older 1.9td was even better......and it had 150k on the clock !
Who says technology improves.....not always the case...
Mechanic in the Pug garage, "new peugeots, nah, wouldn't touch 'em mate, too much electronics" this was after he'd swapped out one of the many ecus' to get rid of a faulty handbrake warning light....£600
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Darrel
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Feb 25, 2008 16:09:05 GMT
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Yes I'm sure. Its been doing it for the last 8 months. As did the Citroen ZX before. As I also said it doesnt matter how different you drive it. I'm no slow coach All youve got to make sure is that the gear changes are low. There is hardly any power up tow, but loads at the bottom rev range 60mpg in a Pug 406?! Are you sure? My 306 DTurbo never beat 45mpg although granted, I never drove it like a pensioner. Go Rover. Then add random Honda Civic bits to confuse people.
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Feb 25, 2008 16:16:18 GMT
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Nova or Corsa 1.5TD: stupendously quick, loads of fun, ace on fuel and Isuzu engines are the bomb.
Cavalier Mk3 1.7TD: easily tuneable, will do stupidly high miles with no bother, ace on fuel, parts are pennies, doddle to work on and being a Cavalier it will last you forever.
Astra Mk3 TD: As Cavalier above but make sure you get the Isuzu lumped version not the gutless, cylinder head knackering GM low blow unit.
Citroen BX TZD: Fantastic speed and economy, THE most comfortable car you will ever drive, quirky, fun, good handling, loads of room and small enough to be ideal.
Citroen ZX: cheap at the moment and a great all-rounder (watch the rear arm bearings, common fault).
Xantia diesels: n/a slower but definately a better engine than the TD (more reliable and less prone to head gasket/head issues) and build quality sometimes suspect.
306TD: My experience of Peugeots is that they will either fantastic or bloody awful, and I've had too many bloody awful ones to consider owning one as a main car. Again n/a ones better than TD.
205TD: brilliant cars. Despite my views on the 306 above the 205 does seem to be the one car that (mostly) Peugeot got right. Lovely little car that will run forever and asid from the usual Pug suspects (curse word trim, annoying new squeeks/rattles start on every journey) they will take massive mileage and massive amounts of abuse.
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Feb 25, 2008 20:44:26 GMT
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Perhaps some people are just scared of electronics,and as for a Hdi injector firing a piece of grit through a piston.Did they strip the engine down in a controled enviroment sieve the oil etc to come up with that Bulls**t story .I know people who have had good and bad Hdi's but thats down to ownership,my car is pampered and therefore is reliable.As for lift pumps failing is down to curse word in the fuel,you would be suprised at the dirt that comes out of pumps at petrol stations.Just change filter more often if your that scared,oh just watch out for holes in your piston ;D
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Feb 25, 2008 21:39:20 GMT
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Perhaps some people are just scared of electronics,and as for a Hdi injector firing a piece of grit through a piston.Did they strip the engine down in a controled enviroment sieve the oil etc to come up with that Bulls**t story .I know people who have had good and bad Hdi's but thats down to ownership,my car is pampered and therefore is reliable.As for lift pumps failing is down to curse word in the fuel,you would be suprised at the dirt that comes out of pumps at petrol stations.Just change filter more often if your that scared,oh just watch out for holes in your piston ;D As a breakdown mechanic I can tell you that almost every HDi I attend has a failed lift pump. The other common problem you see on them is the pressure sensor in the fuel rail reading incorrectly (gotta love French electrics), which can be aleviated temporarily by disconnecting it which will allow the engine to start and run to 3700rpm. If the HDi is in a Citroen of course, the is always the random non start situation for no other reason than the ECU throwing a hissy fit and needing rebooting. But what would I know? I only do this stuff for a living
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2003 Suzuki Wagon R+. Feel the POWAAARRRR!!! 1968 Volvo 142. My street/strip car. Currently fubarred, it will run one day. 1971 Volvo 142. Parts car. Stripped and gone. 1993 Nissan Sunny diesel. Runs on cooking oil! [/UR
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Feb 25, 2008 21:43:15 GMT
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I know i'm an owner that has'nt had his HDi breakdown ;D.Have you fixed every single HDi that has rolled off the line?
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Feb 25, 2008 21:47:13 GMT
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Perhaps some people are just scared of electronics,and as for a Hdi injector firing a piece of grit through a piston.Did they strip the engine down in a controled enviroment sieve the oil etc to come up with that Bulls**t story .I know people who have had good and bad Hdi's but thats down to ownership,my car is pampered and therefore is reliable.As for lift pumps failing is down to curse word in the fuel,you would be suprised at the dirt that comes out of pumps at petrol stations.Just change filter more often if your that scared,oh just watch out for holes in your piston ;D Yes the engine was stripped down by a qualified mechanical engineer, and the offending matter was found embedded in the piston if that answers your question. I'm sorry you think its Bullplop, and Hdi's do suffer from failing low pressure pumps.
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SteveP
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Feb 25, 2008 21:48:07 GMT
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It doesn't really matter about HDi's anyway.... they're pretty much out of budget, the only cars that are HDi and in budget are too big...
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