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Feb 13, 2008 13:29:09 GMT
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lets be honest here, its a cosmetic panel and its been fillered quite heavily. Not unusual. And before you all go off to lynch the guy who did it, how myuch did the customer pay for the work? I know people in the trade and a lot of them don't want to touch old/classic/modifed cars because the owners expect a concours job to all factory spec for £2.50 all in. For a pro, working with professional overheads and paying tax etc. to strip and refurbish a moderately rusty car and then paint and reassemble it properly would cost £10K plus. Most punters don't want to pay that so you get a job done with corners cut. The compromises are to meet the budget. Then there are some right bodgers out there too of course, but TBH, a lot of it is unreaslistic expectations on the customer's part. Think of the time you spend doing a job on your own car, the tim really spent not the "I did those sills in about an hour" but the actual start to finsih time for a project. I put around 100 man hours into prepping one of my cars, and that was without any notable body repairs. If a garage charged £40 +VAT an hour for that... And thats not top end bodyshop rates either.... Then theres the actual paint and finishing on the car. I dread to think how many hours went into that Ventora before I sold it off. I've kind of blocked that from my mind. Seriously, that is not a cosmetic panel. The heater channels and everything joined to them (rear quaters for example  ) are very much structural. |
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Feb 13, 2008 13:43:24 GMT
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Hmmmm this thread is a bit off isn't it. Sticking someones car up on a forum to take a pot shot of the restoration work done to it. I'm glad to hear she's not a friend - crikey. And what's with the anti-scene stuff, come on this is getting a bit boring. I'm starting to feel like I'm back sat with the 'alternative' kids back at school slagging off the 'trendies'. All I can say is poor girl having dented her beetle, or having had it dented. She must be pretty gutted already before perhaps knowing people are parading pics of the damage around the net with glee. Perhaps the better course of action here should be to help out a fellow retro car owner by getting her the details of a repair shop people feel are more up to task? fair enough with your comment on the scene bashing but i don't think anyone has been making light of the cars condition or "parading it round with glee". i think the point of the thread was to show how poorly the work had been done, not to have a laugh at the owner. good idea about helping her out tho |
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Samage
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Feb 13, 2008 15:42:37 GMT
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And what's with the anti-scene stuff, come on this is getting a bit boring. I'm starting to feel like I'm back sat with the 'alternative' kids back at school slagging off the 'trendies'. My thoughts exactly. ;D |
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Tomarse
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Feb 13, 2008 16:12:04 GMT
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Just to balance things out a bit...
Who says a pro did it? "A great job had been done".... by her granddad?
Besides, it's a 1303 so it's really not cost viable to spend a shed load on restoring it when they're bottom of the aircooled VW price range.
It looks like the exposure after the accident is what's caused the surface rust. It looks to be pretty solid and safe underneath albeit not very accurate. From what I can see, she had a solid, respectable looking VW on the road and was happily driving it.
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The Doctor
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Feb 13, 2008 16:29:25 GMT
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Did what? hung his washing out? ;D lol i meant to say, he did this one too  Sometimes i feel japanese when i see the engrish i compose with my keyboard ;D |
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Feb 13, 2008 20:13:30 GMT
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Maybe to put it in some perspective.
I like Beetles/aircooled VW's. When I see anyone driving as a daily, something unusual, I compliment and comment.
This girl was very proud of the car and had told me about it being her favourite thing.
The point was not to parade, or slag off anyone, however, I was surprised to see the thickness of filler, and welding below.
It was maybe meant to be conversational, and also as shown, got some views and info raised in the responses.
One of the great things of the majority of members here is the enthusiasm to help each other, and advise on ways to fix, correct, buy and add value to our own knowlege.
I also once did a '63 Beetle and colour changed it, I took 3 weeks of 12hour days, plus time in front of the telly etc at night to do it, so I know the time and effort invested never really makes financial sense to many of us.
Anyhow, I guess this thread has run its course now.
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Feb 13, 2008 22:38:27 GMT
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hey I'm happy as the next man to bodge a car up, but if its gonna be painted and expected to last then you don't go putting filler in it, if your worried about cost buy a newer car, my ex's mk2 escort had £40000 worth of man hours put into it when it was completely rebuilt from the ground up over a single weekend so i know its not cheap to do stuff properly even before you factor in the cost of parts.
Any resto is gonna take lots of time, i'd still be well curse word off if i got quoted a cheap price cos the guy was gonna filler the car, still maybe he told her or she gave him a budget to work to. who knows?
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Feb 13, 2008 22:50:27 GMT
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£40, 000 worth? Must have been an awful lot of men working 24 hours a day...
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Feb 13, 2008 23:38:59 GMT
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on and off there were about 10 at a time,24 hours a day over a weekend, the car was taken on friday and given back on the monday after a ground up resto/custom job, the amount of hours would be the same just spread over a longer time period, maybe more as there were a lot of experts working on it
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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) are very much structural. 
