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Mar 16, 2024 10:08:54 GMT
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I have Radically altered my Morris Minor by fitting the body onto an MX5.
I will need to have the BIVA test.
Has anyone on this forum had a Minor pass?
I could really need some help with the heads up on the facts and parts needed like the glass and door latches etc, etc....
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Mar 16, 2024 19:25:21 GMT
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retropower did this.
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mk2cossie
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Mar 16, 2024 20:35:43 GMT
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Well, they did. But it hasn't had BIVA or IVA, as the reg number on the Moggy comes up as Morris Minor still, and just been MOT'd  Wonder if they have some special loophole to work around, being a big company that has done a few conversions already 🤔 (Maybe not the Minor, but I've checked a previous body swap build of theirs, and its still the original ID) |
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2024 20:38:04 GMT by mk2cossie
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Retropower have been asked about BIVA before, it's always dodged. passthegrinder, have you looked at the BIVA manual at all? It looks intimidating but if you take section at a time it's not bad at all. Some sections will not apply I bought a n A4 notebook and headed up sections and made notes of what I needed for each section. As you have used an MX5 a lot should be to spec already. |
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Mar 17, 2024 11:26:22 GMT
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Mar 17, 2024 18:41:43 GMT
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Well, they did. But it hasn't had BIVA or IVA, as the reg number on the Moggy comes up as Morris Minor still, and just been MOT'd Wonder if they have some special loophole to work around, being a big company that has done a few conversions already 🤔 (Maybe not the Minor, but I've checked a previous body swap build of theirs, and its still the original ID) the special loophole is using an mot and tax exempt vehicle and using that to hide behind, i’d look at the tax checker website to see if they have changed the CC etc , but as you know ignorance is bliss for some people |
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Mar 24, 2024 11:52:19 GMT
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Well, they did. But it hasn't had BIVA or IVA, as the reg number on the Moggy comes up as Morris Minor still, and just been MOT'd Wonder if they have some special loophole to work around, being a big company that has done a few conversions already 🤔 (Maybe not the Minor, but I've checked a previous body swap build of theirs, and its still the original ID) the special loophole is using an mot and tax exempt vehicle and using that to hide behind, i’d look at the tax checker website to see if they have changed the CC etc , but as you know ignorance is bliss for some people The "special loophole" is that it isn't up to retropower to inform the DVLA of changes made to the cars, that's the responsibility of the registered keeper. |
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Mar 24, 2024 12:09:21 GMT
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the special loophole is using an mot and tax exempt vehicle and using that to hide behind, i’d look at the tax checker website to see if they have changed the CC etc , but as you know ignorance is bliss for some people The "special loophole" is that it isn't up to retropower to inform the DVLA of changes made to the cars, that's the responsibility of the registered keeper. yeah i can see how that would be the case |
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mk2cossie
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Mar 24, 2024 16:10:11 GMT
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the special loophole is using an mot and tax exempt vehicle and using that to hide behind, i’d look at the tax checker website to see if they have changed the CC etc , but as you know ignorance is bliss for some people The "special loophole" is that it isn't up to retropower to inform the DVLA of changes made to the cars, that's the responsibility of the registered keeper. Well, thats a bit naughty! And also rubbish for the rest that want to do the right thing if there's however many cars radically altered by them and not properly registered  Makes the whole process misleading for those that want to do it the right way |
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Mar 24, 2024 21:03:12 GMT
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The "special loophole" is that it isn't up to retropower to inform the DVLA of changes made to the cars, that's the responsibility of the registered keeper. Well, thats a bit naughty! And also rubbish for the rest that want to do the right thing if there's however many cars radically altered by them and not properly registered Makes the whole process misleading for those that want to do it the right way It's not naughty in the slightest from retropowers perspective. They are paid by a customer to build a car to a spec, the paperwork side is nothing to do with them. If you pay a bodyshop to respray your car they don't register the colour change with the DVLA, if you pay a garage to change your engine they don't register the new engine number/cc. It's the registered keepers responsibility to log all changed details with the DVLA, not the company who do the work. And trust, there's a hell of a lot more people who build their own cars who are "a bit naughty" than the few people a year who have their cars built by retropower. I get that they are a big company in the scene, but it's a bit silly people bringing their name into it when that side of things is absolutely nothing to do with them. |
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mk2cossie
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Mar 24, 2024 21:09:25 GMT
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Well, thats a bit naughty! And also rubbish for the rest that want to do the right thing if there's however many cars radically altered by them and not properly registered Makes the whole process misleading for those that want to do it the right way It's not naughty in the slightest from retropowers perspective. They are paid by a customer to build a car to a spec, the paperwork side is nothing to do with them. If you pay a bodyshop to respray your car they don't register the colour change with the DVLA, if you pay a garage to change your engine they don't register the new engine number/cc. It's the registered keepers responsibility to log all changed details with the DVLA, not the company who do the work. And trust, there's a hell of a lot more people who build their own cars who are "a bit naughty" than the few people a year who have their cars built by retropower. I get that they are a big company in the scene, but it's a bit silly people bringing their name into it when that side of things is absolutely nothing to do with them. Did I touch a nerve? It may not be Retropower responsibility to build and IVA. But my point still stands that the vehicle should get all their ducks in row and have it properly registered. Whether thats the failing of a company that carries out the work or just bloody mindedness, I don't know 😕 Also means its more difficult for someone like the OP asking about IVA, when someone like myself thinks "wait a minute, that company built one of those, they would surely know what needs to be done" and its seemingly completely irrelevant |
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Mar 24, 2024 23:33:13 GMT
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It's not naughty in the slightest from retropowers perspective. They are paid by a customer to build a car to a spec, the paperwork side is nothing to do with them. If you pay a bodyshop to respray your car they don't register the colour change with the DVLA, if you pay a garage to change your engine they don't register the new engine number/cc. It's the registered keepers responsibility to log all changed details with the DVLA, not the company who do the work. And trust, there's a hell of a lot more people who build their own cars who are "a bit naughty" than the few people a year who have their cars built by retropower. I get that they are a big company in the scene, but it's a bit silly people bringing their name into it when that side of things is absolutely nothing to do with them. Did I touch a nerve? It may not be Retropower responsibility to build and IVA. But my point still stands that the vehicle should get all their ducks in row and have it properly registered. Whether thats the failing of a company that carries out the work or just bloody mindedness, I don't know 😕 Also means its more difficult for someone like the OP asking about IVA, when someone like myself thinks "wait a minute, that company built one of those, they would surely know what needs to be done" and its seemingly completely irrelevant No nerve touched, I'm just pointing out that the finger is being pointed in the wrong direction. What retropower or anyone else does or doesn't do has zero effect on the difficulty of someone else building a car. There are rules you need to build your car to if you want it to pass, those rules are available for anyone who wants to follow them. As for the ducks in a row, again that's nothing to do with the company doing the work unless the customer asks for them to line the ducks up. Customer tells the company what they want, company builds them what they want and takes their money. I'm fairly sure that with this sort of thing the discussion will take place about what "should be done", but if the customer isn't interested in that, then that's down to them, not the company. Which is probably why they "dodge" the question when it comes up, its not their responsibility but I'm sure they also don't want to publicly out someone who's just paid them a lot of money. Should cars be built properly? Yes Are most modified cars built properly? Probably not going off how many heavily modified cars I see still wearing their original regs... but that's non of my business. |
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Apr 14, 2024 11:25:01 GMT
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Any company modifying cars to the degree that they fall under IVA should be making sure that is done as part of the service they offer, if something happens and someone is injured or killed they will get dragged into it and even if they can prove they have technically done nothing wrong and the accident wasn't anything to do with what they had done that kind of negative publicity can sink a company overnight.
Fair enough if they just do things that don't fall under IVA but if the car should be IVAed then they are taking a massive gamble and riding their luck.
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mk2cossie
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Apr 14, 2024 13:40:04 GMT
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Any company modifying cars to the degree that they fall under IVA should be making sure that is done as part of the service they offer, if something happens and someone is injured or killed they will get dragged into it and even if they can prove they have technically done nothing wrong and the accident wasn't anything to do with what they had done that kind of negative publicity can sink a company overnight. Fair enough if they just do things that don't fall under IVA but if the car should be IVAed then they are taking a massive gamble and riding their luck. This is basically what I was trying to say. Perfectly put as far as I'm concerned. Even if their customers are made to sign a disclaimer, it's not the greatest business ethic  |
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Apr 16, 2024 15:12:50 GMT
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Most of the builds they do are predominantly still the original structure usually with sections strengthened or added to but the minor used a bespoke tubular underbody, I can't see any justification for this not needing an IVA. On the plus side at least their work is of good quality and safe.
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foxy99
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Well, thats a bit naughty! And also rubbish for the rest that want to do the right thing if there's however many cars radically altered by them and not properly registered Makes the whole process misleading for those that want to do it the right way It's not naughty in the slightest from retropowers perspective. They are paid by a customer to build a car to a spec, the paperwork side is nothing to do with them. If you pay a bodyshop to respray your car they don't register the colour change with the DVLA, if you pay a garage to change your engine they don't register the new engine number/cc. It's the registered keepers responsibility to log all changed details with the DVLA, not the company who do the work. And trust, there's a hell of a lot more people who build their own cars who are "a bit naughty" than the few people a year who have their cars built by retropower. I get that they are a big company in the scene, but it's a bit silly people bringing their name into it when that side of things is absolutely nothing to do with them. So do they explain to the customers before starting the conversion that the car will never be able to be registered properly under its new identity? |
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I belive there is a way to keep the original plate with an IVA,
-before tou start when the original car is untouched, transfer it as a private plate
- after the IVA you get a regular current model year plate, This can be replaced with a private plate (ie the original) reg doc would state the manufacturer as whoever modified it and the plate should be of the reflective type though.
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Last Edit: Apr 18, 2024 7:02:16 GMT by kevins
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The owner's insurers might be quite unkeen to provide cover, or to pay out in the event of a claim, if the vehicle was not registered correctly.
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It's not naughty in the slightest from retropowers perspective. They are paid by a customer to build a car to a spec, the paperwork side is nothing to do with them. If you pay a bodyshop to respray your car they don't register the colour change with the DVLA, if you pay a garage to change your engine they don't register the new engine number/cc. It's the registered keepers responsibility to log all changed details with the DVLA, not the company who do the work. And trust, there's a hell of a lot more people who build their own cars who are "a bit naughty" than the few people a year who have their cars built by retropower. I get that they are a big company in the scene, but it's a bit silly people bringing their name into it when that side of things is absolutely nothing to do with them. So do they explain to the customers before starting the conversion that the car will never be able to be registered properly under its new identity? I'm not entirely sure how you expect me to know what's said between a customer and business owner during private meetings, but... Given we've never see a customer of theirs come out complaining about spending £500k having a car built by them and now not being able to register it properly, it's safe to assume that's the case eh? |
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Last Edit: Apr 21, 2024 9:33:10 GMT by roccoguy
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jimi
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Apr 21, 2024 10:27:10 GMT
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While the above debate on the morals/legality of what a company does with it's builds is vaguely interesting, it has no relevance to the OP's questions and does nothing to help him. IMO time it was moved to a separate thread I have Radically altered my Morris Minor by fitting the body onto an MX5. I will need to have the BIVA test. Has anyone on this forum had a Minor pass? I could really need some help with the heads up on the facts and parts needed like the glass and door latches etc, etc.... |
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Last Edit: Apr 21, 2024 10:28:01 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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